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HOOLIE
12-20-2004, 12:20 AM
That's the current temp at my house, as of now (12:15am) Wind is howling out there too. My X-mas decorations are taking a beating. Question to any of you southern guys...I have this cocoa palm tree, about 5 years old, just finally put it in the ground this past year. Bought it at a nursery in Myrtle Beach, the nursery said it could withstand temps down to 12 degrees. Should I just wrap it in something, use some sort of heater to keep it warm? If it doesn't make it, I won't be broken-hearted. But I'd like to help it along if possible.

tiedeman
12-20-2004, 12:24 AM
it is negative 12 here right now, further up north they are at negative 25, and that is not including the windchill. The highest in temp that it got here today was 4

65hoss
12-20-2004, 12:28 AM
My weather bug says 17.8 currently. That is to dang cold for me.

HOOLIE
12-20-2004, 12:28 AM
It was 45 this afternoon, then the cold front blew through, temps dropped down to 25 by 8pm, got our first snow flurries of the season. If the wind lets up, maybe we'll get below 10 degrees tonite.

tiedeman
12-20-2004, 12:29 AM
congrats on your first snow Hoolie :)

HOOLIE
12-20-2004, 12:31 AM
congrats on your first snow Hoolie :)

Thanks, Tiedeman. My son is hoping for a snow day from school (do they have those in Michigan?) Not that far-fetched for this area. But I think school will be in session tomorrow.

out4now
12-20-2004, 12:48 AM
Palms are sturdy but down to twelve degrees? It never gets that cold here so I don't know but they are tropical. Wrapping it wouldn't hurt. ASU has an arbertorium site you can look at but I don't know if your vaierty of palm will be included. Uof A might have some info on their site as well or maybe a Floridia cooperative extension site? Here it's 57 degrees for the low. Only thing I like about it here anymore, mild winters. Pass the lemonade.

HOOLIE
12-20-2004, 12:54 AM
Palms are sturdy but down to twelve degrees? It never gets that cold here so I don't know but they are tropical. Wrapping it wouldn't hurt. ASU has an arbertorium site you can look at but I don't know if your vaierty of palm will be included. Uof A might have some info on their site as well or maybe a Floridia cooperative extension site? Here it's 57 degrees for the low. Only thing I like about it here anymore, mild winters. Pass the lemonade.

Thanks, I'll have to look into those sites. According to the nursery, this type of palm is the hardiest of them all. I don't think they can take 12 degrees every night, but occasionally maybe. Anyway, she showed me some pictures that some guy who bought a palm from her sent, he lives in Chicago, and has some heating system set up for the tree. I'm not looking to get crazy with it, it only gets that cold here a few times a year on average.

out4now
12-20-2004, 12:59 AM
Unfortunately ASU doesn't have direct link to the arboretum but here it is hope you can find your variety. http://www.azarboretum.org/ Sorry just tried to look it up for you and their server is not up, can't see anything.

out4now
12-20-2004, 01:09 AM
This may be better it's from Florida http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/MG043 :waving:

HOOLIE
12-20-2004, 01:14 AM
Thanks for the links. I'm not sure if this is the same type of palm tree. I have seen this type growing as far north as VA Beach. Right now its 14.3 degrees, getting closer to 12... I'll probably just wrap it in something next time, after tomorrow its not supposed to be so cold for awhile. Thanks again.

Sir Sel
12-20-2004, 02:14 AM
13.5 right around the corner from you Hoolie. Gotta work outside tomorrow probably most of the day and I can't sleep just thinking about it. :help:

impactlandscaping
12-20-2004, 02:14 AM
Hoolie, we got about 3" of snow today, our first snow as well. It's about 26 degrees now, and the wind is howling. The dogs wanted to go out a few minutes ago, and I opened the door and they looked at each other and went back to bed...lol..That palm will probably be fine, any further up the line towards me, and I would venture to say no for a whole winter. I would just make sure to heel in the bottom of the palm with lots of hardwood mulch over the winter. Its the roots you have to worry about freezing.

Richard Martin
12-20-2004, 03:41 AM
3:30 am and it's 13.8 degrees here with a wind chill of -2.1. I read on Accuweather that this is the coldest mass of air in December since 1983. We have about 1/4 inch of snow on the streets here. Unfortunately the pavement was wet when it started to snow which means there is a nice super thin layer of ice under the snow. It's going to be car accident city this morning. Time to turn on the EMS scanner.

impactlandscaping
12-20-2004, 03:54 AM
3:54 AM now, and temp is down to 18.and still really windy.I don't know what the wind chill is, but it's cold. We had mostly dry, light snow here today(3"), Richard, but it is drifting everywhere, and I'm sure we'll have 50 million accidents during the morning rush as well.

Richard Martin
12-20-2004, 04:18 AM
I just recorded a -15.3 wind chill. 12.8 degrees with winds gusting over 25 mph

Richard Martin
12-20-2004, 04:32 AM
-24.3 with gusts over 30 mph. Time to bump the wind scale on my weather station.

stuie
12-20-2004, 05:53 AM
Was 38 C near enough to 100 F here yesterday.So hot :angry: and strength sapping was going to work but thought better of it! Had a big storm come through to cool things down in the afternoon.High winds and pelting rain then it cleared and was sunny again.
Id wrap the palm up just to be on the safe side .We have a product here called ENVY.its an anti transpirant also protects against some cold damage.Im sure youd have something similar there.
STUART

gpenny
12-20-2004, 06:17 AM
Hoolie,
The palm you have described is actually Butia capitata from South America. I raise these palms and have done so for 30 years. Actually there are several species that are more cold hardy, but established Butias will withstand 10-15 F.
Below 10 F. the palm will probrably turn completely brown but may not be completely dead. Cut off all the dead fronds in the spring, but do not pull out the center frond, which is the growing point of the palm (and the only thing that is important to survival). Protecting the center frond is what is really important. Bundling the other fronds around the center and tieing them would be of great help. Once this is done, an additional wrapping (old sheet etc.) around the bundled fronds would help. Just make sure you don't trap water in the center which would encourage rot. Finally, if the palm appears dead next spring, don't pull it up. Give it well into May or June to determine if the center frond will reappear. Good luck!

Richard Martin
12-20-2004, 06:42 AM
10 degrees with a -27.8 wind chill. I have 1 more cleanup to do and it ain't happening today.

bob
12-20-2004, 07:35 AM
Here in Delaware its 10° this morning, with a wind chill of -7°. Its by far the coldest day yet. I'm having a window replaced as I type this.

grass_cuttin_fool
12-20-2004, 07:42 AM
Its down to 8 degrees here this am,brrrrrrrrrrr

impactlandscaping
12-20-2004, 07:57 AM
7:58AM , and it's down to 2 degrees, plus wind chill here now. Glad I planned today off for snow, but it's still gonna be freezing cold to finish my wall tomorrow...brrrr<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZSXXXXXX44US' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/28/28_4_1v.gif' border=0></a>

Fantasy Lawns
12-20-2004, 10:26 AM
Wrap it it with the Big Christmas Lights (C7's) n leave em on !

jbell113
12-20-2004, 10:42 AM
Hoolie, im not a palm expert but i installed one here this summer and the nursery told me to put pinestraw or mulch really thick around the base to protect the roots then wrap the base in a blanket about 3 feet high.Like I said im no expert ....thats what the nursery said ...hope this helps

YardPro
12-20-2004, 10:45 AM
g penny
we do as you stated as far as wrapping goes. we wrap with black plastic so it absorbs some head in the day and takes a little longer to cool down at night.

here the sago's are the first to loose thier fronds, with the butia's and sable's being pretty tolerant.

Green-Pro
12-20-2004, 11:26 AM
Was 3 above zero here this morning, not sure what it was with the friggin 20-25 mph wind, to cold to be in tree stand thats for sure, but should have plenty of ice for ice shack and fishing by this weekend.

:)

G-P

impactlandscaping
12-20-2004, 02:03 PM
Was 3 above zero here this morning, not sure what it was with the friggin 20-25 mph wind, to cold to be in tree stand thats for sure, but should have plenty of ice for ice shack and fishing by this weekend.

:)

G-P


...I don't know...I think I'd get in a tree stand to get a shot at some of those Iowa bucks I see in RACK all the time...lol..What the heck though, a bad day of fishing is beats a good day of work anytime :D :D :D

tiedeman
12-20-2004, 02:26 PM
Thanks, Tiedeman. My son is hoping for a snow day from school (do they have those in Michigan?) Not that far-fetched for this area. But I think school will be in session tomorrow.

yup, have snow days. Just this morning the school was delayed for 2 hours do to the wind chills. It was 2 F here at 8am without the windchill being factored in