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tiedeman
12-22-2004, 01:55 PM
Well, I am definetly going to be getting a ZTR for next year. Will probably purchase it in March of 05.

So I started out with 49 mowers that I selected from approx 100 to 120. Now I have narrowed it down to 30.

How am I narrowing it down?
My criteria
1. gallon size most be 9 gallons or more
2. must have a minimum of 25HP
3. 52 to 61 cut
4. run at least 10 MPH
5. thick gage deck
6. no diesel
7. cutting height must be between 1.5" to 5"+


After I narrow it down more on those above, then I will narrow it down by price and quality of cut. Maybe even look at dealer location

grass_cuttin_fool
12-22-2004, 02:16 PM
Well I have a Scag Tiger cub, It doesnt meet many of your specs, the Turf Tiger would, if the turf tiger is as good as the cub I think you would be pleased, just my 2 cents worth

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 02:22 PM
actually the Turf Tiger is one of the 30 that I have selected.

cutnedge
12-22-2004, 02:24 PM
Super Z written all over it.

Shawns Lawns
12-22-2004, 02:25 PM
Have you looked at Grasshopper? :waving:

grass_cuttin_fool
12-22-2004, 02:30 PM
The Scag is the only zero turn I have ever owned, I cant say anything good or bad about any others. From reading other post of yours I know you are mature enuff to know that all brands of mowers turn out a lemon every now and then. I put about 370 hours on my tiger cub and the only thing that went wrong was the deck belt broke but it was my fault. I was mowing in heavy wet grass and was cutting the the clutch in and out trying to purge the deck of grass and threw the belt off and then it broke. Belt replacement is very simple with only A 1/2'' rachet and extension. To change oil they have the frame cut so that the oil drains to the oil pan on the floor with out running all over the frame. Plenty of grease fittings. I think its a well thought out machine and oh the deck is built like a tank. Give it a good look at , I like mine and would buy another in a minute if I was in the market

jtkplc
12-22-2004, 02:32 PM
Gravely, best bang for the buck!

grass_cuttin_fool
12-22-2004, 02:39 PM
Ok guys, dont get me wrong, and Im not trying to take over this thread. I see ''super z''," grasshopper'', and ''gravely'' mention. What makes them stand out as a good mower, is it the ease of service and qaulity of cut? Like i said im not out to start a peeing contest but im interested to know what makes you think they are good mowers? I have stated that all mowers are good or they wouldnt be in buisness. And every company has a lemon at times. So post why you like your brand the best, It may help tiedeman in making a decision

cleancutccl
12-22-2004, 02:43 PM
Get a gravely 260Z, toughest deck i've ever seen. Lots of cool features like the hydraulic lift deck, which really comes in handy when you mount a snow plow on the front of it. The only thing it doesn't meet on you criteria list is that the deck only goes to 5 inches. But it is fast and has plenty of power with engine sizes in 25 or 27 hp.

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 02:44 PM
I now have it down to 26. I hope to get it down to 20 before looking at the price.

ok, what I am looking at
1. Cub Cadet, Tank M54
2. Cub Cadet, Tank M60
3. Scag, Turf Tiger
4. Ferris, 4500Z
5. Ferris, 4000Z
6. Ferris, 3000ZX
7. Ferris, 3000ZXL
8. Yazoo/Kees, Max 2
9. Toro, Z580 Series
10. Toro, Z500 Series
11. Exmark, Lazer Z
12. Exmark, Lazer Z XS
13. Exmark, Lazer Z Liquid Cooled
14. Exmark, Lazer Z EFI
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series
16. Grasshopper, 300 Series
17. Grasshopper, 400 Series
18. Encore, Prowler Mid Cut
19. Husqvarna, XP
20. Gravely, 152Z
21. Gravely, 160Z
22. Gravely, 252Z
23. Gravely, 260Z
24. Country Clipper, The Boss
25. Country Clipper, Zeton
26. Everride, Warrior

cleancutccl
12-22-2004, 02:45 PM
Does price have anything to do with it?

splatz100
12-22-2004, 02:46 PM
i think another thing you should look at is your dealer and how dependable he will be so that might cut that list almost in half

cleancutccl
12-22-2004, 02:49 PM
Sorry, didn't see the pricing remark at the top of your list. :blush:

grass_cuttin_fool
12-22-2004, 02:52 PM
I see that you have 1 water cooled unit in there. I have a john deere with a water cooled kawa. I dont think I will ever buy another water cooled engine, it has been great and very little maintence. Its just the possabilty of a hose, or radiator, or water pump and head gasket problems. I quess what Im trying to say is, its just more things to go wrong and I dont know if the extra life of the engine out weighs the possable problems

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 02:53 PM
I was thinking that too in regards to the liquid cooled. Just more stuff to worry about it.

Shawns Lawns
12-22-2004, 02:54 PM
Tiedman are you looking to bag with your mower? I looked at the Tanks but the only reason i was not able to go with it is because the bagging system is a hopper only they do not have bags that you can dump in a truck or trailer. :)

i_plant_art
12-22-2004, 03:04 PM
how bout adding a john deere 757 to that list. I thuink once you look at the 757 you will have your mind made up really quickly. And trust me you wont be sorry about it either. Find your nearest dealer and go down for a demo. Next to that i would get a exmark Lazer Z ... i own both mowers. and wont own anything else.

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 03:15 PM
ya, I had three deeres in mind, but for some reason (don't ask) in the back of my mind it was telling me no. Maybe because of the run in I had with the dealer that was local here.

Kelly's Landscaping
12-22-2004, 03:51 PM
I like number 12 on that list I want that same mower was a pleasure to drive this summer.

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 05:13 PM
Here is my updated list. I am looking at the gauge of the decks right now. Basically I want the decks to be at least 10 gauge. I have a couple others on here I have to check the decks on.

1. Cub Cadet, Tank M54
2. Cub Cadet, Tank M60
3. Scag, Turf Tiger
4. Ferris, 4500Z
5. Ferris, 4000Z
6. Ferris, 3000ZX
7. Ferris, 3000ZXL
8. Yazoo/Kees, Max 2
11. Exmark, Lazer Z
12. Exmark, Lazer Z XS
14. Exmark, Lazer Z EFI
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series
16. Grasshopper, 300 Series
17. Grasshopper, 400 Series
18. Encore, Prowler Mid Cut
19. Husqvarna, XP
20. Gravely, 152Z
21. Gravely, 160Z
22. Gravely, 252Z
23. Gravely, 260Z
24. Country Clipper, The Boss
25. Country Clipper, Zeton

Norm Al
12-22-2004, 05:17 PM
narrow it down to 2

1. Grasshopper, 400 Series
2. Grasshopper, 400 Series

splatz100
12-22-2004, 05:24 PM
im not real sure on the country clippers and yazoo kees

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 05:27 PM
I know, I am still looking. Gravely is dropped from my list. Only 7 gauge deck

1. Cub Cadet, Tank M54
2. Cub Cadet, Tank M60
3. Scag, Turf Tiger
4. Ferris, 4500Z
5. Ferris, 4000Z
6. Ferris, 3000ZX
7. Ferris, 3000ZXL
8. Yazoo/Kees, Max 2
11. Exmark, Lazer Z
12. Exmark, Lazer Z XS
14. Exmark, Lazer Z EFI
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series
16. Grasshopper, 300 Series
17. Grasshopper, 400 Series
18. Encore, Prowler Mid Cut
19. Husqvarna, XP
24. Country Clipper, The Boss
25. Country Clipper, Zeton

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 05:37 PM
Country Clipper is out of there, I didn't realize the belt was that exposed in the front on the deck

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 05:40 PM
Alright here is my updated list again, down to 16. Off to go shopping with the Mrs. Pleae feel free to tell me why one of them listed here is what I should choose.

1. Cub Cadet, Tank M54
2. Cub Cadet, Tank M60
3. Scag, Turf Tiger
4. Ferris, 4500Z
5. Ferris, 4000Z
6. Ferris, 3000ZX
7. Ferris, 3000ZXL
8. Yazoo/Kees, Max 2
11. Exmark, Lazer Z
12. Exmark, Lazer Z XS
14. Exmark, Lazer Z EFI
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series
16. Grasshopper, 300 Series
17. Grasshopper, 400 Series
18. Encore, Prowler Mid Cut
19. Husqvarna, XP

DennisF
12-22-2004, 05:42 PM
Demo a Hustler. You'll shorten your list to one. Best damn mower I've ever used...and I've used a few in the last 35 years.

cleancutccl
12-22-2004, 05:43 PM
Personally, I think the deck on the gravely is plenty thick. You are going to end up with one hell of a heavy mower. What about rutting? Are you going to try to demo any of them?

stevesmowing
12-22-2004, 05:57 PM
Hustler Super Z. Went to buy hydro oil for the mower at the dealer and saw a super z sitting there. Later that day it was in my garage. Best thing ever.

LLandscaping
12-22-2004, 06:09 PM
I would suggest the Scag Turf Tiger, we have two Tiger Cubs and are really happy with them. The Turf Tiger has a wide wheel base which is good especially if you are cutting hills. The decks are also made of thick steel (tri-layered), we have knocked small tree stumps out of the ground (by accident) and it didnt even phase it. If we get some larger accounts next year we might purchase a Turf Tiger. Good dealer support is very important that is one reason why we have stuck with Scag. We have a great dealer that stands behind their products.

PaulJ
12-22-2004, 06:18 PM
I didn't see any hustler on your list. Can I ask why not? I have a hustler walk and have run a fastrack. And looked at the mini Z everything about the hustlers I have seen are ver7y high quality and exelent dealer service. NO problem with cut quality. I ran a friens exmark hplazer and the fastrack seemed to handle better and cut just as good. You might want to give hustler a chance.

Richard Martin
12-22-2004, 06:21 PM
I know, I am still looking. Gravely is dropped from my list. Only 7 gauge deck

I have the utmost respect for you and don't take this wrong but you are way off on this issue.

A 7 gauge deck is heavier than a 10 gauge deck. The lower the number the thicker the steel.

I would like to see the criteria that included mowers like the Cub Cadet, Country Clipper, Husqvarna, Yazoo Kees and the Encore but excluded mowers like Hustler and Dixie Chopper.

Kelly's Landscaping
12-22-2004, 06:26 PM
He's right the smaller the gage the thicker the metal.

TClawn
12-22-2004, 06:42 PM
He's right the smaller the gage the thicker the metal.


DITTO.....

Lawnchoice
12-22-2004, 06:42 PM
Have you had the time to demo all of these machines?

pcnservices
12-22-2004, 06:56 PM
Tiedeman, You have a great selection of mowers on your list. IMO the Encore Prowler midcut should definitly be on your short list. It's shaft drive (consistant blade tip speed - no loss of tip speed in thick, heavy and/or wet grass)and the articulating deck suspension is a great feature - IMO better than the old regular mule drive and conventional chain suspended floating deck. You can get the Encore lately with 31 hp's as well.
Good luck

Shawns Lawns
12-22-2004, 07:04 PM
Grasshopper 223/52 :waving:

ALarsh
12-22-2004, 07:13 PM
Can I ask you why you cut the Toro Z580 and Z500? My Z500 is coming soon....

PLM-1
12-22-2004, 08:58 PM
i'm with yah on the GH but not the 200 series. i would go either 300 or 400. all 400's are liquid cooled for longer life. some of the 300's are l/c also. I have a diesel GH so i can't comment on the gas but im sure you can't go wrong with a Kubota gasser. the G2 controls are sweet too!

Eric 1
12-22-2004, 09:02 PM
I would have to go with 10, 11, 16, 19 or 23.

Why did you drop the Toro? and personally i think the I-que(sp) on the gravely is aw-some.

But really, were are the choppers and hustlers, is it a lack of dealers?

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 09:19 PM
I have the utmost respect for you and don't take this wrong but you are way off on this issue.

A 7 gauge deck is heavier than a 10 gauge deck. The lower the number the thicker the steel.

I would like to see the criteria that included mowers like the Cub Cadet, Country Clipper, Husqvarna, Yazoo Kees and the Encore but excluded mowers like Hustler and Dixie Chopper.


it was only a 7 gauge, no extra support in front trim that I could find. You know, most decks are 10 gauge or 7 gauge, with an extra 7 gauge support trim. Sorry for the confusion.

RedWingsDet
12-22-2004, 09:22 PM
it was only a 7 gauge, no extra support in front trim that I could find. You know, most decks are 10 gauge or 7 gauge, with an extra 7 gauge support trim. Sorry for the confusion. When I posted early that I wanted at least 10 gauge, that was minimum total.

what????


you say you wanted atleast a 10 gauge, well 7 fits that criteria! 7 is stronger than 10 my man!

lower number = stronger the steel

just like wires when you hook up stereos and such.

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 09:22 PM
to be honest with you guys, never looked at Hustlers

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 09:23 PM
what????


you say you wanted atleast a 10 gauge, well 7 fits that criteria! 7 is stronger than 10 my man!

lower number = stronger the steel

just like wires when you hook up stereos and such.

if you go back you notice that I deleted that, because how it came out didn't come out right, so for less confusion I deleted it

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 09:28 PM
ok to clear everything up, I want a minimum 7 to 10 gauge deck, with extra support in the front. From what I could find, the Gravely did not have the EXTRA support that I wanted

RedWingsDet
12-22-2004, 09:29 PM
if you go back you notice that I deleted that, because how it came out didn't come out right, so for less confusion I deleted it

GEESH, im sorry bro, im not using my noggin right now. LOL. Sorry, all im thinking about is the snow thats sopossed to roll in tonight :)

Good Luck with your mower purchase, I had a dixie, Liked it, I would deff. buy another, it was a 20hp 50", ran great, cut great, striped great, and was fast!!! Good Luck with your purchase!!!

jtkplc
12-22-2004, 09:33 PM
ok to clear everything up, I want a minimum 7 to 10 gauge deck, with extra support in the front. From what I could find, the Gravely did not have the EXTRA support that I wanted

Gravely has extra support around the bottom of the deck.

65hoss
12-22-2004, 09:38 PM
I would like to see the criteria that included mowers like the Cub Cadet, Country Clipper, Husqvarna, Yazoo Kees and the Encore but excluded mowers like Hustler and Dixie Chopper.

Yea, me too.

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 09:41 PM
ok, guys three words, "BCS" that sums up how I came to the conclusion to the ones stated above. If you really think hard about this statement, you will understand. :)

Leave out the AP poll though, they don't want anything to do with it

Norm Al
12-22-2004, 09:41 PM
geez i hope picking a woman isnt this hard for you tideman!:)

RedWingsDet
12-22-2004, 09:43 PM
ok, guys three words, "BCS" that sums up how I came to the conclusion to the ones stated above. If you really think hard about this statement, you will understand. :)

Bad Customer Service?

LOL. I think so with exmark, they are really cocky, however Dixie was very good to me when I needed some specs!

Starman
12-22-2004, 09:51 PM
I'd lean toward the Ferris, 3000ZXL or 4500. Just my personal preference.

Harleyboy52
12-22-2004, 09:55 PM
Exmark!!! They are red.

Lawnchoice
12-22-2004, 09:56 PM
I'd lean toward the Ferris, 3000ZXL or 4500. Just my personal preference.

How does those stripe??

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 10:03 PM
1. Cub Cadet, Tank M54
2. Cub Cadet, Tank M60
3. Scag, Turf Tiger
4. Ferris, 4500Z
5. Ferris, 4000Z
6. Ferris, 3000ZX
7. Ferris, 3000ZXL
11. Exmark, Lazer Z
12. Exmark, Lazer Z XS
14. Exmark, Lazer Z EFI
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series
16. Grasshopper, 300 Series
17. Grasshopper, 400 Series

there got it down to these. I know that everybody wants to knock cub, but they are solid deck. Out of all of these I have tested cubs, scags, and exmarks. I haven't ever tested Ferris or Grasshopper. Also the other reasons for cubs, scags, exmarks, and grasshoppers is that dealers are less than 15 mins away, compared to other models which closest is 35+ miles away

Soupy
12-22-2004, 10:15 PM
I know that everybody wants to knock cub, but they are solid deck. Out of all of these I have tested cubs, scags, and exmarks. I haven't ever tested Ferris or Grasshopper. Also the other reasons for cubs, scags, exmarks, and grasshoppers is that dealers are less than 15 mins away, compared to other models which closest is 35+ miles away

Which mower cut the best out of the Cub, Scag, and Exmark?

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 10:18 PM
in this order
1. Exmark
2. Cub
3. Scag

splatz100
12-22-2004, 10:20 PM
out of those i would go with the exmark

jsaunders
12-22-2004, 10:24 PM
I really liked the ferris 3000zlx with the 27 kohler. I Came so close to buying one. I could get it for 7900. Email me the dealer ships. The ride was 1 of the best things and the high back seat was Awsome. I liked it much better than the exmark and kubota that I demoed. The only thing that I didn't like was the "ferris" bagger. It was belt/spindle driven and didn't seem to suck enough. I would buy an engined vac. The other thing was the weights added to the front of the mower with the bagger attached, the ride and steering was 100% better with all of the weights off and the front end never lifted even with the bags full of grass. Joel
Ps - I did end up buying 2 Hustler SWB's and will be adding a flexdeck

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 11:02 PM
I have been looking at the engines, narrowed down the list some more. I dont want a Kawaski, after the run in I have had with it lately
1. Cub Cadet, Tank M54 with a 24HP Honda
2. Cub Cadet, Tank M60 with a 27 HP Kohler
3. Scag, Turf Tiger with either a 27HP Kohler or 31 HP Briggs
4. Ferris, 4500Z with a 35Hp Briggs
6. Ferris, 3000ZX with a 27HP Kohler
11. Exmark, Lazer Z with a 23, 25, 27 Kohler
12. Exmark, Lazer Z XS with a 31Hp Briggs
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series with a 23HP Kohler
16. Grasshopper, 300 Series with a 24.5 Kubota
17. Grasshopper, 400 Series with a 32 Hp Kubota

Has anybody ever had experience with the 31HP Briggs?

PaulJ
12-22-2004, 11:11 PM
Just so you know Hustler has a lifetime guarantee on the leading edge of their deck. It is built like a box. I'm not sure of the gauge. I still think you should give them a look.

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 11:11 PM
I will be honest with you guys, right now I am leaning towards #1, #3, #11, #15, and #16

jtkplc
12-22-2004, 11:11 PM
I have been looking at the engines, narrowed down the list some more. I dont want a Kawaski, after the run in I have had with it lately



what's the story w/ the kaw.?

tiedeman
12-22-2004, 11:17 PM
had two bad experiences with a Kawasaki. The last one, I had to totally buy a new engine that blew up on me after only approx 490 hrs, and I still haven't heard but from Kawasaki regarding the matter. I have sent letters, called them, left messages. Its been a little over 2 months.

shearbolt
12-22-2004, 11:29 PM
Go with the mower that has the best dealer support.I love my Lazer, but nothing stripes like my Dixies!

Soupy
12-22-2004, 11:39 PM
in this order
1. Exmark
2. Cub
3. Scag

Which Exmark did you demo? I have been looking at Exmark and will probably buy one in a few months. I agree with others about the Hustler, mine is built like a tank. The only reason I'm looking at Exmark is because the dealer has parts department open until $11pm 7 days a week and offers loaners if needed.

PMLAWN
12-23-2004, 04:48 AM
Go with a walk behind!


J/K--sorry late night. Good luck with it. If you have a free min. Why did the Toro fall out so early. I love my Z500 w/Turbo Force deck 27/60 Koh.

I like your choice of Christmas gifts to yourself.

T Edwards
12-23-2004, 07:08 AM
tiedeman

You know you're going with the EXMARK. Quit fooling around. We have 2 and they are solid as tanks.

wriken
12-23-2004, 01:47 PM
tiedeman

You know you're going with the EXMARK. Quit fooling around. We have 2 and they are solid as tanks.

If there as solid as a tank (cub), then go with the Tank. J/K :)

wriken
12-23-2004, 01:50 PM
I have been looking at the engines, narrowed down the list some more. I dont want a Kawaski, after the run in I have had with it lately
1. Cub Cadet, Tank M54 with a 24HP Honda
2. Cub Cadet, Tank M60 with a 27 HP Kohler
3. Scag, Turf Tiger with either a 27HP Kohler or 31 HP Briggs
4. Ferris, 4500Z with a 35Hp Briggs
6. Ferris, 3000ZX with a 27HP Kohler
11. Exmark, Lazer Z with a 23, 25, 27 Kohler
12. Exmark, Lazer Z XS with a 31Hp Briggs
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series with a 23HP Kohler
16. Grasshopper, 300 Series with a 24.5 Kubota
17. Grasshopper, 400 Series with a 32 Hp Kubota

Has anybody ever had experience with the 31HP Briggs?


I'm sold on Kohlors, will have them from now on out if possible, quiet and great on gas. My kaw and generac have been good, kaw likes alot of gas, hard on plugs,generac starts hard if cold, or one drop of rain is within 20 miles from it, but good power.

o-so-n-so
12-23-2004, 02:18 PM
Decisions, Decisions, Desicions......T-man, I own #11 (25hp Koh) and I would definatly buy another without hesitation. It was may first ZTR and has exceeded my expectations a great deal. It mulches great, the bagging system is awesome and the quality of cut is great. I did have to tweak my deck to get a good level cut (when I adjusted by the manual...it was "cutting in" on the right side just a little. So I just got it close and tweaked it one screw turn at a time until the cut was perfect.) Hadn't touch the deck since and its still perfect 2 years running.
The only upgrades i have made is this...slime in all tires, Mobil 1 oil, a grease fitting in my t-box to grease the front spindles and lots of grease.
I'm sure all the other machines are sweet as well but.... I can only speak for MY ExMark.......

good luck..............................................

TClawn
12-23-2004, 03:19 PM
I've taken a look at the grasshoppers and they look like they would cut very well.

take a look at the front mount there are tons of attachments that you can put on them.

wriken
12-23-2004, 05:29 PM
I think dealer support plays a big part, there basically all the same when it comes to the parts they use. Here is an example of why I buy from my dealer. I was shopping for a snoblower about 3 weeks ago, I thought about my dealer but did'nt have the cash to buy one outright, I have a TSC card, and figured I would put it on it, then when the big bucks from the commercial plowing comes in the first of Jan, just pay the card off. Well the cable froze up that engages the auger system and I snapped the bail. I went to the dealer today to get a spare belt and to see if he had a bail laying around back on some junker he may have. Well he did'nt, but had a similar showroom model sitting on the floor, ask if I had the old broken part and I said yes, ended up being the same thing, so he took it off and handed it to me. I now have a snobloweer to use for the next storm, I knew I could have ordered one from a place on the internet, but when would I get it??. To sum it up, I never bought it from him in the first place, but he bent over backwards to help me. I will probably by my major lawn care equipment from him till I retire. :)

tiedeman
12-23-2004, 06:01 PM
3. Scag, Turf Tiger with either a 27HP Kohler or 31 HP Briggs
6. Ferris, 3000ZX with a 27HP Kohler
11. Exmark, Lazer Z with a 23, 25, 27 Kohler
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series with a 23HP Kohler

this is what I have narrowed it down to some more. I am still leaning towards #11. Cub was dropped because there is no good dealer support around here I feel.

grass_cuttin_fool
12-23-2004, 06:07 PM
I still like #3 but maybe im just a lil bias

LawnBoy89
12-23-2004, 06:09 PM
eXmark sounds good to me. I worked for the town (public works) when I was 14, last summer, and they had the eXmark ZTR's and a w/b. They absolutly beat the crap out of them and they still ran great. The guys were doing wheelies and all this junk, some of the areas that needed to be mowed had rocks that we being thrown around under the deck. It was a mess. One guy let a turf tracer w/b off a 6 foot wall and it didn't actually get damaged that bad.

Shawns Lawns
12-23-2004, 07:02 PM
i'm with yah on the GH but not the 200 series. i would go either 300 or 400. all 400's are liquid cooled for longer life. some of the 300's are l/c also. I have a diesel GH so i can't comment on the gas but im sure you can't go wrong with a Kubota gasser. the G2 controls are sweet too!
Why not the 200 Series i tried out the 223/52 and really liked everything about it. Do you know something about this unit that i dont know?

wriken
12-23-2004, 07:59 PM
3. Scag, Turf Tiger with either a 27HP Kohler or 31 HP Briggs
6. Ferris, 3000ZX with a 27HP Kohler
11. Exmark, Lazer Z with a 23, 25, 27 Kohler
15. Grasshopper, 200 Series with a 23HP Kohler

this is what I have narrowed it down to some more. I am still leaning towards #11. Cub was dropped because there is no good dealer support around here I feel.
Try Gene's in coleman, he sells cubs, told me today they were in the top 10 for cub this year, that should say something about service after the sale. But whatever you get I would try to lean towards the Kohlor motor. :)

JCA1
12-23-2004, 08:21 PM
Something else to consider is spindle reinforcement. Gravely has 1/4" reinforcing plates welded at each spindle. Every experienced mechanic I have ever talked to said engines line up like this: Honda, then Kawa. and Robin, then Kohler, then Briggs, Then Tech. I think any of the models you have selected would be a fine machine. You should test drive each model and choose according to comfort and ease of use as well. As many others have mentioned a good dealer makes the biggest difference. Service after the sale is the most important part of such a large purchase.

tiedeman
12-23-2004, 09:22 PM
Try Gene's in coleman, he sells cubs, told me today they were in the top 10 for cub this year, that should say something about service after the sale. But whatever you get I would try to lean towards the Kohlor motor. :)

you know what Bernie, I tried to smooth things over by sending you a PM message almost 2 weeks ago, and I thought that we were starting to patch things up, but by your post above and now this one I can see that you don't want to fix things up.

Even after all the customers I have given you in regards to lawn care and snow removal this is still how you treat me.

I am sorry that I didn't spend no $20 to $30 grand in Genes for him to kiss my butt, I have something better than that, and its morals. What he tried to pull on me was illegal and morally wrong. I am sorry, but I can't go to a dealer that would try something like that on me. If you want to keep on going to him, that is fine by me, I don't have a problem with that at all. I just know that I am not going there because of what he did and tried to pull on me.

Like I said, I tried to patch things up, but it doesn't look like you want to.

iluvscag
12-23-2004, 09:33 PM
May i add that scag for 2005 is coming out with a 35 hrspwr briggs and it goes 12 mph. We love our turftigers.

wriken
12-23-2004, 10:51 PM
you know what Bernie, I tried to smooth things over by sending you a PM message almost 2 weeks ago, and I thought that we were starting to patch things up, but by your post above and now this one I can see that you don't want to fix things up.

Even after all the customers I have given you in regards to lawn care and snow removal this is still how you treat me.

I am sorry that I didn't spend no $20 to $30 grand in Genes for him to kiss my butt, I have something better than that, and its morals. What he tried to pull on me was illegal and morally wrong. I am sorry, but I can't go to a dealer that would try something like that on me. If you want to keep on going to him, that is fine by me, I don't have a problem with that at all. I just know that I am not going there because of what he did and tried to pull on me.

Like I said, I tried to patch things up, but it doesn't look like you want to.

I've had good luck with cub products, they have a dealer over in Mt. Pleasant, that handles cubs, I don't think they would have the inventory like gene's does though. But they are good mowers, might want to check that dealer out.

steve in Pa.
12-24-2004, 12:50 PM
You know what you want tiedeman so why waste anymore of your time debating on it. Go with your gut feeling and get yourself a EXMARK 27hp liquid cool and don't look back. We have 2 Lazers and very little problems even running doubles on them. We also have 6 exmark walk behinds, very few problems in the last 14 years. You know what mower is the best so just get it!!!!!

tiedeman
12-24-2004, 03:55 PM
ya, I probably will get the Lazer Z. I am still torn though with the Scag. But I have heard a lot of bad things about the cut with hit. I thought that it was pretty good when I tried it out before, nothing majorly bad, but who knows.

UpstateNYer
12-24-2004, 04:04 PM
1. Scag, Turf Tiger
2. Toro, Z580 Series
3. Toro, Z500 Series
4. Exmark, Lazer Z
5. Exmark, Lazer Z XS
6. Exmark, Lazer Z Liquid Cooled
7. Exmark, Lazer Z EFI




xountry clipper, ecerride, grasshopper, yazoo, ferris, cub cadet, husqvarna, encore, I would cut out, there your down to 7.

Richard Martin
12-24-2004, 05:15 PM
xountry clipper, ecerride, grasshopper, yazoo, ferris, cub cadet, husqvarna, encore, I would cut out, there your down to 7.

Most people usually read through a thread before they post. If you had you would have seen that he did cut most of these out.

UpstateNYer
12-24-2004, 07:12 PM
Most people usually read through a thread before they post. If you had you would have seen that he did cut most of these out.
I was just saying mowers I would stay away from.

grass_cuttin_fool
12-24-2004, 07:26 PM
I cut beside exmark yards every day and I dont see the difference in cut.. I think the scag I own can hang with the best of them, but thats just my opinion.Wait till spring and demo the scag, I cant help it im bias, or just fruity, Im not sure which

moonkat
01-02-2005, 11:45 AM
Tiedeman,
Did the same last year and purchased in March 04.
My criteria closely matched yours with some additional -
easy to service
budget of $7000
Kawasaki 25 hp engine
I specified 60" deck in my criteria
All this for a ZTR to mow about 8 acres - 2 acre residence & 6 acres pasture and infrequently another 1-2 acres of tall grass. This required near brush-hog capability and the near 6" cutting height. The acreage is what dictated the higher mowing speed without going to a wider deck. I didn't want to be spending 16 hours a week mowing like I did with a 48" Craftsman 20hp mower.

I decided on an Everride Warrior 60". I mow the residential lawn in 1-1.5 hours (5-7mph), the pasture in 1.5 to 2 hours (8-10mph), and the tall grass in about one-half to one hour (3-4mph). The quality of cut is good on the lawn and dispersion is great in all three conditions. I do get a better cut with "Brushhog high lift mulching blades" and the edge stays sharper than stock, but even out of the box, dispersion was very good with little to no clumping even in wet tall grass.

I demoed Kubota ZD21, Exmark 23 and 27 hp Lazer Z 60", Hustler Z 60" and Bobcat 60". Do a search to see my previous comments.

I am satisfied that my purchase has met my criteria and continues to be a dependable tool. I bought in the first year and have done the Manufacturer maintenance and recall upgrades myself. They upgraded to "green belts" and some upgraded pulley/belt components & replaced hydro fluid cap. Worst problem I had was the integrated brake-engine shut-off switches. I diagnosed the first one as preventing restarts when warm but needed a hint from my dealer about the second one.

Doing some upgrades - installed a bicycle speedometer on one lever; calibrated with my handheld GPS. Next plan to install some ATV lights to permit night mowing like my neighbors.

Good luck to you and be sure to demo any machine you plan to buy !

grass_cuttin_fool
01-17-2005, 03:39 PM
How about it tiedeman, made a final choice yet? is the scag still in the running?