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Wells
01-04-2005, 06:16 PM
I've been viewing threads on this site for about two years now and have been a member for just over one year.

In that short amount of time I have seen many, many new members with high expectations and dreams of working for themselves and owning their own business. Around this time of year and for the next several months there will be many new members signing up, doing research and asking questions about the biz, and by the end of the season you don't hear from most of them again.

Where have they gone???
Do most of them fold up shop, and go back to working for someone else taking their dreams with them?
Do they find another forum to go do their research at?
Do they think Bobby is to intimidating and thus leave never to be hear from again?

What do you think happens to all these new start up businesses?

This seems to be a trend, and i look at the board today knowing that most of our new members wont be on here at this time next year.

Where are you guys going????????

rodfather
01-04-2005, 06:22 PM
Lowballer heaven maybe?

J&R
01-04-2005, 06:24 PM
I would say BooBy has run a few off. He thinks he's right a everybody but him is wrong.

Lux Lawn
01-04-2005, 06:37 PM
Lowballer.com

rodfather
01-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Lowballer.com

ROTFLMAO...good one Larry. BTW, it went belly up due to insufficient funds.

bobbygedd
01-04-2005, 06:45 PM
I would say BooBy has run a few off. He thinks he's right a everybody but him is wrong.
if that's what you believe you're a fool.

mtdman
01-04-2005, 07:02 PM
Most small businesses fail. I suspect that is especially true for the average start up lco. People get into the business thinking it's all about making easy money cutting grass like they did when they were kids. They don't realize a business is a business, no matter if you're shoveling crap or building computers. There is a lot more to it than just grabbing a lawn mower and cutting grass. People race into this business with wide eyes and dreams of making $$, find out it's hard work, takes some business sense, and there's a lot of long hours involved.

That's why I don't encourage anyone anymore. Those that really want to do this will ignore me anyway, like I ignored most people when I started. Those that aren't cut out will take my advice and figure out something else.

captaingreen
01-04-2005, 07:26 PM
Most small businesses fail. I suspect that is especially true for the average start up lco. People get into the business thinking it's all about making easy money cutting grass like they did when they were kids. They don't realize a business is a business, no matter if you're shoveling crap or building computers. There is a lot more to it than just grabbing a lawn mower and cutting grass. People race into this business with wide eyes and dreams of making $$, find out it's hard work, takes some business sense, and there's a lot of long hours involved.

That's why I don't encourage anyone anymore. Those that really want to do this will ignore me anyway, like I ignored most people when I started. Those that aren't cut out will take my advice and figure out something else.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It just sucks bearing with the market during their learning process but, on the other hand sometimes they make you shine.

Ric
01-04-2005, 07:35 PM
Wells

90% of all start up mowing guys fail the first year. Now why does this happen?? First, mowing does not attract the Ph d's. Second, It is hard work out in the elements. Third, Social status is just above a garbage man. Forth. It requires something called work.

jimslawns
01-04-2005, 07:45 PM
I know I see alot of these start up companies.....
They buy and buy and buy and don't invest in their company. Then many times you can buy up all of there equipment they bought with so few hours cheap cheap cheap.

As far as our statis in society....it's better than the reputation of a laywer, many doctors or a cars sales man and certainly most politicians :p

When Ric said
"First, mowing does not attract the Ph d's. Second, It is hard work out in the elements. Third, Social status is just above a garbage man. Forth. It requires something called work." It just made me feel so good, knowing that I enjoy what I do, and I feel that I accomplished something and that I am probably doing better than alot of these other guys with "profession" type jobs. Doing a job is just that, loving what you do is what it is about. :waving:

N.H.BOY
01-04-2005, 07:46 PM
Im a new guy and Im still here and I know I will be for a long time. I love this biz and maybe some are drinkin it up on the slow winter season, I know I do when the Patriots play all season :drinkup: :drinkup: Unless we get snow and then Im out all day plowing payup payup

Evergreenpros
01-04-2005, 07:52 PM
Owning a business is a way of life, it's not a job. Personally, I'm always at work and have to schedule time off. Whether I'm working at the office, at home, thinking in my car, filling out paperwork, dealing with the *@#ing government or just planning for the future of the company I never really "leave" work. You just can't "leave it for the next guy" or hope somebody else will do it, it's 100% on us. There's no calling in sick, there is no "guaranteed" check, there are no unemployment benefits, no workman's comp, no nothing. Few people realize these things when they start a business, they just look at the revenue coming in, compare it to their take home pay and go from there.

Tn Lawn Man
01-04-2005, 07:55 PM
Most small businesses fail. I suspect that is especially true for the average start up lco. People get into the business thinking it's all about making easy money cutting grass like they did when they were kids. They don't realize a business is a business, no matter if you're shoveling crap or building computers. There is a lot more to it than just grabbing a lawn mower and cutting grass. People race into this business with wide eyes and dreams of making $$, find out it's hard work, takes some business sense, and there's a lot of long hours involved.

That's why I don't encourage anyone anymore. Those that really want to do this will ignore me anyway, like I ignored most people when I started. Those that aren't cut out will take my advice and figure out something else.



This is exactly right!!!!!




To add to that. I think you have two main types of people who fail.

1. Those who don't mind the hard work aspect of the job but who become overwhelmed by the business side of it. Many people just cannot grasp the number crunching, billing, customer relations etc.... They just like to mow.

2. Those who understand how to run the business side of things but cannot do the work. Either they are not phyically talented enough to do a good job. Or when June, July and August roll around they pass out. Lawn care is physically demanding.

rodfather
01-04-2005, 07:55 PM
Forth. It requires something called work.

And spelling too sometime Ric...forth? LMAO, think ya meant fourth my friend :D

olderthandirt
01-04-2005, 08:12 PM
Ric are you telling me I got my doctorite for nothing? what a waste of 6 months and $50 see if I ever purchase anything else on line LMAO

Mac

Ric
01-04-2005, 08:32 PM
Woo

Hey I am in the Green Industry also. So don't take my post so personal.

Yes We are at least 10 level above Lawyers who are scrum bags three levels below Whale Stuff. However I am getting tired of them going to their bank with My money. To Quote William Shakespeare from Taming of the Shew "First we kill all the Lawyers"

Mac

You Doctorite is still good just don't Buy the $ 5.00 one. :D

Ric
01-04-2005, 08:35 PM
And spelling too sometime Ric...forth? LMAO, think ya meant fourth my friend :D


Rodfather

I was using the Perth Amboy spelling Method, taught by none other than your good Buddy.

rodfather
01-04-2005, 09:06 PM
Rodfather

I was using the Perth Amboy spelling Method, taught by none other than your good Buddy.

ah, you remember very well I see LOL...try Newark's version when you can :rolleyes:

captaingreen
01-04-2005, 09:56 PM
Well fella's it has been kind of refreshing reading this thread, kinda reminds me why I started and have continued in this business. :) :) :)
Thanks guys :waving:

Carolina Cutter
01-04-2005, 10:02 PM
Wells

90% of all start up mowing guys fail the first year. Now why does this happen?? First, mowing does not attract the Ph d's. Second, It is hard work out in the elements. Third, Social status is just above a garbage man. Forth. It requires something called work.

Yep that is true....and it also seems as though every year there are another 90%....LOL

cantoo
01-04-2005, 10:25 PM
I'm betting they get bored here real quick and end up surfing porn.

It's a tough business to keep going, easy to start but tough to keep going. I know when I worked in Michigan I couldn't believe all the new trucks, trailers and mowers I seen everyday on the road. Easy come easy go. I don't mind buying the upstarts new stuff cheap and selling it to the next upstart the next spring. It helps keep me in business.. :p

newbomb
01-04-2005, 10:53 PM
I think 2 big reasons for failure are:

1 People don't realize what it costs to setup shop so they start out fulltime with junk equipment and soon quit,or

2 They run out and go in debt for "all the toys" with out a plan for generating business, or the knowlege to operate a business.

I have been working at this along time and still havent fully refined what works best for me.

Wells
01-04-2005, 11:07 PM
My thoughts are that a good number of the startup lco's over project the number of clients they expect to service in a startup year.

It seems like most want to acquire somewhere in the range of 60 to 100 clients in their first year. Granted those numbers might be obtainable if you bust your butt marketing every day and land everything that you bid on, but those kinds of numbers generally arn't going to be there in a startup year. It could take as many as 2 to 3 years years to reach that number of clientelle.

For most new lco's they should realistically plan to expect more in the neighborhood of 30 to 40 clients in a startup year. Just because you open your doors and are in business you shouldn't expect the masses to flock into the shop. 80+ clients in your first year is generally unrealistic and if a new lco is planning on those types of numbers in order to make it in business they may be disappointed.

All of this is just my opinion and may vary by area, but I have been watching it happen to dozens of new members over the past couple of years.

blue73thing
01-04-2005, 11:07 PM
I likely fall into the category you're describing. Although I never even made it into the business. I have been researching this for several months, doing the legwork many of you suggested. In jumping into a business, regardless of whether it's avon or LCO, one should have a solid business plan, the support of his/her loved ones, and the drive and ambition necessary to make his business stand out from the crowd.

I was not able to cobble together enough information in the last 3 months of this year to indicate that I could do this part time as a sole proprietor with all the i's dotted and t's crossed and still provide enough PROFIT to make it worth my additional hours away from family after working the 45 or so hours required by my full-time job. I plan to keep digging, and reading here if you don't mind my lurking, but I will not be entering the green industry this year.

To quote some tag lines from the fellows: "if you can't do it right, don't do it" and my favorite theme that I've found here and at another forum "if you can't do it legit, you ain't worth a sh1t"

So rather than jump in like some others with the idea of going legit only after I've made some pile of PROFIT, not REVENUE, I'll wait until I can start out legit on day one, or just bag the idea and live like the herd.

I appreciate all the honest and forthright replies to my several posts, fodder as they are from a wide-eyed wannabe entrepeneur. I asked alot of questions that you guys must get on a yearly basis, and I got some canned answers and I got some real encouraging info. For the moment, I'm still just a tire-kicker at the local outdoor equipment shops; but maybe one day I'll join the group of respectable, long-time, solid business professionals who make up this forum.

Fareway Lawncare
01-04-2005, 11:12 PM
People Come & Go On this Site...they Take What they Need & Are Gone or they Develop a Superiority Complex and Go Elsewhere.... Every Year there's a Whole New Core Group of Posters..

Infotainment.

fixer67
01-04-2005, 11:56 PM
I think 2 big reasons for failure are:

1 People don't realize what it costs to setup shop so they start out fulltime with junk equipment and soon quit,or

2 They run out and go in debt for "all the toys" with out a plan for generating business, or the knowlege to operate a business.

I have been working at this along time and still havent fully refined what works best for me.

I know a young couple that did both of those. They made a hundred dollars raking leaves one weekend and then all the could see was $$$$$$$$. They bought some "junk" equipment from the shop I was working at at the time and then went in debt for a new truck and trailer to haul it all in. In less than 3 months I seen them selling everything they owned on the road side. They were even selling the bed and sleeping on the floor just to keep from losing there house. It was real sad to see them so broke hearted. Never seen them after that and no one knows what ever became of them but I thank they never were the same after that.

nitrotim
01-05-2005, 12:41 AM
ah, you remember very well I see LOL...try Newark's version when you can :rolleyes:

I think we should call the version here LAWNBONICS :p

Fantasy Lawns
01-05-2005, 01:14 AM
As Judge Smails said ..... "Billy ..... the world needs ditch diggers too"

olderthandirt
01-05-2005, 03:59 AM
http://lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=18203 and sometimes they don't leave they just change there names after some really stupid stunts. Ain't that right fareway ? :D

Mac

snippy
01-05-2005, 04:30 AM
I'm still here hanging on by the skin of my teeth, I've only got half a business but thats all down to me being a slacker, I know I could being doing more but I'm so lazy I need a rocket up the ass just to get off the lounge and hook the trailer up to go and mow some lawns, I should get a real job but I'm unemployable, thats why I have to find my own work, I have big motivation problems, I don't mind the work, hell its better than trying to get to work on time to punch the card, but when you're the boss its hard to yell at yourself.
I'll keep persevering, the few customers and yards I have are all great due to the fact that as soon as it looks like being the slightest PITA I give up and go elsewhere.
I'll get there, its just going to take me twice as long as it should thats all.

DLS1
01-05-2005, 04:44 AM
http://lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=18203 and sometimes they don't leave they just change there names after some really stupid stunts. Ain't that right fareway ? :D

Mac

Thats funny. So BANNED Calvin (love his getting WB stuck down steps in back yard story) is now Fareway.

I don't think even Booby Gelding can top that story.
:D :D

Bray
01-05-2005, 05:10 AM
Maybe they struck it rich and retired.

rodfather
01-05-2005, 08:32 AM
Thats funny. So BANNED Calvin (love his getting WB stuck down steps in back yard story) is now Fareway.

I don't think even Booby Gelding can top that story.
:D :D

He was Ultimate Lawn in between as well.

Ric
01-05-2005, 09:08 AM
He was Ultimate Lawn in between as well.


Rodfather

do not forget some of the other famous screen names Like Casey Jones and Jack D. on other forums. Jack D always posts in third person. Now in all Cases, Calvin does like to Troll.

rodfather
01-05-2005, 09:15 AM
Yes, Calvin does like to stir the pot. But we do have to thank him for the infamous "Got my WB stuck in the back yard. Can you help me out?" thread...that will be a LS classic forever IMO. :D

eshreve1234
01-05-2005, 10:30 AM
Maybe they have not made any friends on this site, and are bored with the same topics coming up all the time?

kutnkru
01-15-2005, 12:57 AM
Then thars those of us who have gotten engaged and simply dont have time to post any more -LOL!!!

The dewz list is simply farrr to long to have n-e spare time!!!

BTW ... I also agree that many OVER estimate the number of likely clients they project to get during their intial start-up venture.

TurfGuyTX
01-15-2005, 01:12 AM
There are many reasons they don't come back. Many are discussed here previously. Never fear, there will always be newbies coming and keep the site going.

LLandscaping
01-15-2005, 01:41 AM
Some new lawn companies try to cut lawns at a cheap price thinking that the more work they have the more money they will make. Soon they get all these new accounts and go out and buy all new equipment, never realizing how much money it actually costs to run a legitimate business. Also sometimes members get mad at other members or the moderators and go to other lawn forums.

1grnlwn
01-15-2005, 09:31 AM
Maybe they are just working. I find myself very busy this time of year. As a relative old timer I thought I would chime in, although I rarely find topics here that interest me anymore. I guess it's time to discuss the 1/3 rule again. LOL

llama
01-29-2005, 05:32 AM
http://lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=18203 and sometimes they don't leave they just change there names after some really stupid stunts. Ain't that right fareway ? :D

Mac


STS??? I have read this thread. It is 3:30 in the morning and I have tears running down my face from laughing so hard. I just woke my wife up from laughter but she didn't have the same amusement I did. This tread is the funniest thing I have ever read. #1!!!

p.s. Is the STS available as an aftermarket option on SCAGS???

llama
01-29-2005, 05:35 AM
STS??? I have read this thread. It is 3:30 in the morning and I have tears running down my face from laughing so hard. I just woke my wife up from laughter but she didn't have the same amusement I did. This tread is the funniest thing I have ever read. #1!!!

p.s. Is the STS available as an aftermarket option on SCAGS???

Sorry, I meant SCS......LOL
I did mention that it was late.

Stair Climbing System.........hahahhahahahahahahahahhaha
Jerry Seinfeld would be proud.