I've got to get something off my chest...

[forgop]

I'm going to start up in the biz this spring and reading a lot of posters on this board is hilarious. I'm not going to take away from the quality of work anyone here does or how hard you work.

However, many on here always complain about not being regarded as professionals, but after having lurked for almost a couple of months now and added a little to the discussion, I must tell you this. A number of people on this board just don't get it in their posts as a lot of people can't even spell correctly. I hope your flyers and other methods of communication with your clients don't read like the same garbage a few post on here.

It's this kind of stuff that holds you down as being considered a professional when you don't know the correct use of words. If you want to learn more, here is a site that a lot of you should check out to learn the differences between they're, their, and there among many others. And one last thing...quit saying "I seen". Sound like a professional to be a professional.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html

[i_plant_art]

I'm going to start up in the bizbiz this spring and reading a lot of posters on this board is hilarious. I'm not going to take away from the quality of work anyone here does or how hard you work.

However, many on here always complain about not being regarded as professionals, but after having lurkedlurked for almost a couple of months now and added a little to the discussion, I must tell you this. A number of people on this board just don't get it in their posts as a lot of people can't even spell correctly. I hope your flyers and other methods of communication with your clients don't read like the same garbage a few post on here.

It's this kind of stuff that holds you down as being considered a professional when you don't know the correct use of words. If you want to learn more, here is a site that a lot of you should check out to learn the differences between they're, their, and there among many others. And one last thing...quit saying "I seen". Sound like a professional to be a professional.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html


REAP WHAT YOU SOE: Thanks. Next time check your own post before you critique others. biz :angry: and lurked- a real professional word :blob3:

[lawnman_scott]

So being professional is hitting the spell check? And why lurk 2 years to decide if your going to mow lawns for a living? Its not rocket sceince.

[Soupy]

I'm going to start up in the biz this spring and reading a lot of posters on this board is hilarious. I'm not going to take away from the quality of work anyone here does or how hard you work.

However, many on here always complain about not being regarded as professionals, but after having lurked for almost a couple of months now and added a little to the discussion, I must tell you this. A number of people on this board just don't get it in their posts as a lot of people can't even spell correctly. I hope your flyers and other methods of communication with your clients don't read like the same garbage a few post on here.

It's this kind of stuff that holds you down as being considered a professional when you don't know the correct use of words. If you want to learn more, here is a site that a lot of you should check out to learn the differences between they're, their, and there among many others. And one last thing...quit saying "I seen". Sound like a professional to be a professional.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html

Do you feel better now? Keep in mind that we are all just communicating with a keyboard. We are not talking, or writing a letter to a customer. You do not have to be a grammar teacher to be a professional lawn care company. Some guys have secretary's or wifes that handle the office work.

I think you are nit picking. I am not perfect at grammar, but I noticed a poorly worded sentence in your post. I highlighted it for you. I also noticed a bunch of run on sentences (i'm bad for that too, but i'm not the one making a big deal) and bad punctuation. You also used slang in your post. I hope you don't use slang while talking to customers.

[forgop]

REAP WHAT YOU SOE: Thanks. Next time check your own post before you critique others. biz :angry: and lurked- a real professional word :blob3:

LOL...

Biz=slang term

Lurked-Have you not just read a forum before finally ever posting? Maybe you should look it up.

Come back when you really have something on me...

[Kelly's Landscaping]

I think one of the better memories I have from high school is when my English teacher who was a total ass like you was taken to jail. He wrote a 16-year-old girl a note and said he would raise her grade if she would meet him at a hotel. So he got to leave in disgrace lost the wife a 30 year pension and of course his job. Yes hand writing experts will get you every time that said he did use proper words and had no spelling mistakes in that note.

I realize the point you were making was a about those of us crying about looking professional well to that I could not care less. I am a successful business owner not some white collar wuss with a ego trip about being " a professional" so I do not complain about that ever you can check all my posts. Normally I would of let this one go but I cannot stand people that think proper spelling in a chat room means something.

[Likestomow]

Hey forgop --- Good post, but get ready to take it in the shorts! You have opened a can of worms here. I for one agree that professionalism includes speaking with correct English and writing with correct English. I have noticed however, that some people have become more interested in grammer lately, and that is a good thing.

[newbomb]

I a reckon this here thing plum backfired huh?

[The C Man]

I agree with you, although a lot of people on here won't and will say when they're just posting here on the forum that it doesn't matter. Technically I guess it doesn't 'matter,' since I doubt anyone's customers are on here checking up on the guy who mows their lawn, but still, I know what you mean. The one that bugs me the most is "costed," as in "the new mower costed me $7000." That makes Jethro Bodine sound like a Rhodes Scholar.

[matthew horner]

Hey bomb, I agree also. I use the word aint from time to time, but thats because I'm an elvis fan and a southern man and its part of the dialect. However, I've never used it when conducting an estimate, or writting a business letter, etc. I agree that proper grammar should be used when writting especially, and see your point clearly.

[GreenMonster]

I use to could write pretty good, but to much time on this here message board and now my gramma ain't so good no more. spellin ain't neither.

Chill man. It's a message board. Cuz = because, prolly = probably, then there's FWIW, IMHO, ROFLMFAO........ and so on, and so on.

I use a bunch of that stuff here, but my proposals, web site, and any customer related materials are spell checked, grammar checked, proof read, etc.

FWIW, my spelling has gotten much worse with the advent of spell check.

[thill]

GREEN.....U-2?

I thought I was the only one going brain dead now that spell check does the rembering for me <grin>.

[thill]

rembering (sic)

[Wells]

Forgop,

After reading your post several times I think I understand what it is you're trying to communicate. You posted a link to Common Errors in English Writing which is something we as business professionals could all benefit from in some way or another but the way in which you presented the idea to the members of this board was insulting.

If you're looking for proper spelling, grammar and punctuation then you've come to the wrong place and you need to reevaluate what type of forum this is. Most of us have gone to college and have higher educations but we don't come here and insult others for the way in which they communicate, especially in a casual environment like this.

This is a place that most of us come for quick answers, the opportunity to learn from those that are more experienced in the field and perhaps the chance to give back where we can.

I'm willing to believe that your intentions were genuine but your delivery of the material was poorly thought out.

[richard coffman]

Forgop,

After reading your post several times I think I understand what it is you're trying to communicate. You posted a link to Common Errors in English Writing which is something we as business professionals could all benefit from in some way or another but the way in which you presented the idea to the members of this board was insulting.

If you're looking for proper spelling, grammar and punctuation then you've come to the wrong place and you need to reevaluate what type of forum this is. Most of us have gone to college and have higher educations but we don't come here and insult others for the way in which they communicate, especially in a casual environment like this.

This is a place that most of us come for quick answers, the opportunity to learn from those that are more experienced in the field and perhaps the chance to give back where we can.

I'm willing to believe that your intentions were genuine but your delivery of the material was poorly thought out.

well said wells...I'm a professional out in the field and chatting with customers. now when i come home and sit in front of this here computer chatting with the guys here in lawnsite, grammer is the last thing i think about. heck, a lot of us like to blow off a little steam and speak our mind, we might learn something in the process. we all come from different backgrounds, but we all got something in common we like to do and that's cuttin grass, not speaking perfect grammer. keep that in mind.

Respectfully,

Richard/Owner :D :D :D

[ScCo]

It's this kind of stuff that holds you down as being considered a professional when you don't know the correct use of words. http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html

In the essence of being grammatically correct, you should replace the word "use" with "usage" as "usage" is the proper form of "use" in the context of your statement.

That said, I do agree that some people are a bit on the incoherent side once in a while. However, how we speak on this board is not necessarily directly related to how we speak with our customers.

...two different worlds. Don't judge peoples' abilities without first hand knowledge of how they handle communications and other relations with their customers.

[Bull]

Forgop, I use many southern slang words and various pronunciations of others. If I tried to use what most consider "proper grammar" most of my customers would think I am better than they are. I talk and pronounce words just like most everyone else around where I live. I will admit though that I have gotten frustrated at some post when you can't even figure out what their point is but those are few and far between. If you are looking for perfection on this site in terms of grammar then you had better enjoy your on company because you will probably be by yourself. Now how many mistakes did I make? Who cares, I have to go check out the calendar girls.

[bobbygedd]

this thread is almost as foolish as one of mine. first of all, speaking for myself, i couldn't give a rats rectum what u folks think of my spelling, or grammer. there is a spell check feature here, i don't even use it. second of all, you ever hear the story of , "i don't have to outrun the bear, i only have to outrun you." well, such is true. when my competitors are sporting 6 teeth total (between them), can barely read and write, cannot speak in complete sentances, use terms like, "i'll put down da weed killer stuff", instead of, "i will apply a herbicide", and " i'll put down da bug killer stuff, don't tell nobody", instead of, "i'll apply a preventative grub treatment that will remain active in the soil for roughly 5 months", and these ARE THE EDUCATED ONES. it makes me come out smellin like a rose

[Mowmoney00]

LOL, bobbygedd that's hilarryous (o no did I spell that wrong). Ah hell I don't care i'm just a dirty lawn boy making alot of money!

[Soupy]

This topic comes up every so often and it always gets the same reaction. To bad he didn't see any of those threads while he was "lurking". He would have known better.

[MMLawn]

The real bad thing is that I just completely WASTED five minutes of my life that I will never get back reading forgop's stupid waste of bandwidth and on top of that it isn;t even about lawncare and he has 0 years of doing lawncare so I guess all he can do is knock somebodies grammar because he sure as heck can't discuss the end and outs of the lawncare business. :dizzy:

What you want to bet he used spell check before he hit the post button too? ;)

[launboy]

this is computer forum, this is not potential customer advertisement. Some people post quickly, and spelling is not what matters. How do you even judge someones professionalism by how they spell on this forum compared to advertisment. :dizzy:

[mownredneck]

forgop, Know that u have gottin something off your chest let me get something off mine! Im tired of people telling other people what they need to do when they do thangs wrong THEMSELVES! This is a place where we can relaxe and talk with other LCO's and FOR GOODNESS SAKE MAN THIS IS A COMPUTER!!!! wHO GIVES A sH** ABOUT IF A WORD AINT' SPELLED CORRECTLY. Ill speak my southern english just as natural as i Please!!!!! Mind your own biz! Yankee!

[Kelly's Landscaping]

Mownredneck since when is Indiana a Yankee? No he sounds more southern then northern to me.

[cutnedge]

However, many on here always complain about not being regarded as professionals, but after having lurked for almost a couple of months now and added a little to the discussion, I must tell you this. A number of people on this board just don't get it in their posts as a lot of people can't even spell correctly.
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html
And I must tell you this: You should have used a colon before "A number.."
Keep on lurkin'.

[cet]

I just came over from Plowsite to have a look for a WB mower. I love the way you people argue. You always make me laugh.
I would like to know where the term "off of" came from. They even use it on CNN. " I need to borrow that off of you"

[Smithers]

I'm going to start up in the biz this spring and reading a lot of posters on this board is hilarious. I'm not going to take away from the quality of work anyone here does or how hard you work.

However, many on here always complain about not being regarded as professionals, but after having lurked for almost a couple of months now and added a little to the discussion, I must tell you this. A number of people on this board just don't get it in their posts as a lot of people can't even spell correctly. I hope your flyers and other methods of communication with your clients don't read like the same garbage a few post on here.

It's this kind of stuff that holds you down as being considered a professional when you don't know the correct use of words. If you want to learn more, here is a site that a lot of you should check out to learn the differences between they're, their, and there among many others. And one last thing...quit saying "I seen". Sound like a professional to be a professional.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html

you know, if you are such a professional, you will know that using "It's" instead of "It is" is not professional.

If you have "lurked" on here for a few months, it should have dawned on you that this is not the best way to make friends, which later you will ask for help.

Very smart, Einstein. :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

[jaybird]

i feel targeted. hey forgop pull my finger.

[dcondon]

well said wells...I'm a professional out in the field and chatting with customers. now when i come home and sit in front of this here computer chatting with the guys here in lawnsite, grammer is the last thing i think about. heck, a lot of us like to blow off a little steam and speak our mind, we might learn something in the process. we all come from different backgrounds, but we all got something in common we like to do and that's cuttin grass, not speaking perfect grammer. keep that in mind.

Respectfully,

Richard/Owner :D :D :D


You guys hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!

[Flex-Deck]

Wail - I gradueated from dentile skool in 1970 and doo a laawn care bisnus on the side. I also grew up on a ranch, so I no about catle and wheet. I wil garantee that the gramer I just used means nothing in eether busness because it is what you do for them that counts.

Some posts before addressed the fact that this is a quick type forum and any advertizements, or flyers would probably be gramarically correct - either by the person or someone printing the forms.

thanks Brad

[DennisF]

I'm going to start up in the biz this spring and reading a lot of posters on this board is hilarious. I'm not going to take away from the quality of work anyone here does or how hard you work.

However, many on here always complain about not being regarded as professionals, but after having lurked for almost a couple of months now and added a little to the discussion, I must tell you this. A number of people on this board just don't get it in their posts as a lot of people can't even spell correctly. I hope your flyers and other methods of communication with your clients don't read like the same garbage a few post on here.

It's this kind of stuff that holds you down as being considered a professional when you don't know the correct use of words. If you want to learn more, here is a site that a lot of you should check out to learn the differences between they're, their, and there among many others. And one last thing...quit saying "I seen". Sound like a professional to be a professional.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html



Looks like you FORGOP how to spell BIZiness!

Sound like a professional to be a professional? Only an amateur would submit such ridiculous post.

[yrdandgardenhandyman]

I a reckon this here thing plum backfired huh?


Hey Newbomb. It's "backfarred"

[Mo Green]

Way to go Forgop... I see you found out how to make a few enemies real fast on this forum. I think your post wans't the best as far as grammar is concerned. Your punctuation is terrible, and your sentence structure could use a little help. Just remember that this forum is not a place for English majors, but a place for those who wish to share their knowledge of the green industry. Here you will find nothing more than a great bunch of lawn care professionals pouring their thoughts out via a computer keyboard. They are not here to impress anyone with their typing, grammar, or spelling skills. So, with that being said, I think you owe everyone here a huge apology for acting like a complete jackass.

Also, I have looked over a few of your previous posts. What a joke! You used words like cuz and biz. Very professional, I must say. I think you need to hit the books a little before you come here and blast people for improperly using the English language. Give special attention to the chapter concerning run-on sentences.

[65hoss]

Amazing how some people think we care about their opinion. If you just had something useful to say...we might care. Foolish stuff gets you no respect or makes us believe you are a professional...at anything.

[cgland]

Forgop - U R N AZHOLE! (did I spell that correctly, Jeeves?)

[Turf Medic]

Wonder if we will ever hear from forgop again. By the way, what the hell is a forgop???

[Soupy]

I don't think we will be hearing from him again. At least not by the same name. :waving:

[Bull]

Turf Medic, years ago when farmers began cutting the testicles from farm animals (young bull becoming a steer) they discovered that they could use a razor or knife and slit open the scrotum, remove the testicles and then the task would be complete. What was then left behind to dry up and and later fall off was the "Forgop" or as the native indians termed it "little sack with no balls". So I am assuming the forgop who posted here is taking his or it's frustration out on all of us since it has no balls and we cannot use proper grammar.

[out4now]

Wonder if we will ever hear from forgop again. By the way, what the hell is a forgop???

Good question, its like a liscence plate thang...let's see; 4 go p ? F. or. go.p ?

It says pogrof backwards....

dunno... anyone else?

[mownredneck]

Did I hear a Toilet Flush? Theres only one letter between cool and FOOL! I said it once and Ill say it again WHEN YOU PIONT A FINGER U HAVE 4 MORE POINTING BACK AT YOU! I hope u learned a lesson here FARTGOP! :cool2:

[Mo Green]

I see Forgop has yet to reply to any of these posts. I guess he did'nt think we knew how to read, either.

My suggestion to you Forgop: go back to lurking, and leave us alone. You bashed Bobby in one of your previous posts, and it was'nt very nice. For some one who has only been lurking for a couple of months, that was a very brave thing to do. Bobby may be a little grumpy sometimes, but he means well. I think that a lot of guys here would agree that this site would not be the same without him. His opinions may be a bit overbearing sometimes, but he makes us all think.... and I appreciate that.

[Tvov]

ROTFLMFAO...LOL LOL

:laugh: :laugh:

This is Hilarious!

(an' i's not a talkin' 'bout lowballin'!)

[Green-Pro]

Mo Green I see Forgop has yet to reply to any of these posts. I guess he did'nt think we knew how to read, either.

Me thinks he knows how to Lurk he is now attempting to learn how to Troll.

:D

G-P

[1MajorTom]

I'd say there's nothing more to add to this.