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GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 10:09 AM
I've added a photo page to my web site with 2004 projects. I'd appreciate a few visitors and some feedback on the format before I get too deep into it.

http://www.gmlandscapes.com/photos.htm

Thanks

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 10:25 AM
looks great, mark. in fact, it's one of the more creative sites i've seen on here. love the font choice, although be sure your style sheet has a secondary font in case your users don't have the one you are using.

one thing, lose the "under construction" stuff. that's a cardinal sin of web design. besides, on an 800x600 resolution monitor, of which 45% of users still have, a visitor would never even know you have pics to see. on an 800x600, the screen, without scrolling, it shows only to the bottom of the sawhorse barricade.

great job.

tony

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 10:28 AM
ooops, almost forgot. your monster logo on the first page is in the wrong format. flat color images (non-pictures) should be in .gif format. this would cut the size down from the 100+k that it is to a faster downloading, better looking image in the area of 20k or so.

also, if you wanted to make it easier on the dial-up folks, in your photos area, you could maintain quality and cut back the file sizes to approx 50-60% of what they currently are.

tony

GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 10:40 AM
Thanks for the input Tony. I've been wondering about font choices. The "Green Monster Landscapes" in the heading is a blueprint font that doesn't work on all computers. Is there someway to embed these fonts into the web site?

I wasn't aware of the standards for .gif vs. jpg. Thanks.

I know the pics are still a little big for dial up -- I'm still dial up myself at home -- but I didn't want people squinting either to try and find detail. I tried to find a medium, but on the pages with more photos, it is a little slow.

Good point on the under construction stuff too. I put it there because I didn't want people looking at the page, and thinking it was done kinda half-ass while I'm still working on it. Know what I mean???

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 11:15 AM
i think you've got enough on the photo page to not give the impression it's half-ass. in fact, far from it. as you add to it, maybe place the newest addition at the top with some form of tasteful "new addition" indicator to it.

with regard to font embedding, you can do it, but "can" is different than "should" :). it would be irritating to visitors, plain and simple. just make sure you go into your css file and have a secondary font such as:

{ font-family: Bradley Hand ITC, Arial, Verdana

if the user doesn't have the Bradley Hand ITC font, the next font listed that they have will be used, such as Arial, then Verdana, etc.

one last thing, and this is purely subjective, from a cohesive design standpoint, i'm not a fan of the image you have at the bottom of each page. the picket fence w/ flowers image doesn't go with anything else on your site and looks like a clip art afterthought addition.

tony

Lux Lawn
01-18-2005, 11:26 AM
Mark
I took a brief look at it and will look at it again later it is very nice,the walls you built down by the water came out really nice.Great Job.

GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 11:34 AM
Thanks again Tony. Good input. Maybe listing the pages that are done at the top is the way to go. Thanks also, Lux.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but why would embedding the font of choice be irritating? My thoughts to embed it are based on the fact that it is the font I use for letterhead, truck lettering, advertising, etc. Seemed unprofessional to me to let the computer pick whatever font it wanted it to be.

Although I was once a DB programmer in a former life, you're starting to talk over my head a little. I don't know what the .css file is. :o

Yeah, the fence at the bottom was kinda an afterthought, I guess. Seemed like the page needed a "footer". Maybe not?

Up North
01-18-2005, 11:56 AM
Mark,
I have to say it's one of the better sites I've seen within our industry. I really like the job summary that goes along with the photos, IMO that gives the customer or potential customer some very good info and may allow them to visualize how & what they may want to do with their landscape. A little tweaking with fonts, etc. is understandable...it's a new site right?

Very impressed Mark. You do great work and it shows that you take pride in what you do. I don't know why you're not doing this full time, I'd think with some marketing and word of mouth you'd be turning business away due to having to much on your plate.

Great job.

Buck

GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 12:05 PM
Buck, I built the site around this time last year, but have just recently updated the photo page. Before just recently, it was simply a link from the home page that said "Under Construction" :o

I was hoping to get some input on the summary text. My goal was to give potential customers a little more insight into what went on with the job, and how or why we ended up where we did with the finsihed product.

I DO take a lot of pride in my work -- thanks for noticing. Sometimes prolly, to a fault.

Why not full time? My plan was to take it somewhat slow, and transition into full time from my current job. Plus, income from a f/t job allowed me to get a good base of equipment instead of struggling with inferior stuff. Instead of f/t 2006 as planned, who knows..... maybe it will be this year. I will tell you I was much busier last year than anticipated. There is no way I can keep doing the pace I did last summer. :dizzy:

Thanks again, Buck. :waving:

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 12:22 PM
Forgive me for my ignorance, but why would embedding the font of choice be irritating? Seemed unprofessional to me to let the computer pick whatever font it wanted it to be.
when it comes to web useability, the simpler the better. much like annoying pop-up ads, users are not typically fans of being fed downloads, which is the only way to receive your font. it's a potential security problem for them as they probably don't know you from Adam. if you go to any foreign language-based site, you'll see how the process works.

I don't know what the .css file is.
the css file is what you are using (or frontpage is using) in order to define the layout and fonts of your site. for your site, it's located here:

http://www.gmlandscapes.com/_themes/copy-of-rice-paper-1-/copy1110.css

i can't recall how frontpage manages style sheets, but what you want to do is append to each spot that says:

{ font-family: Bradley Hand ITC

to

{ font-family: Bradley Hand ITC, SOME STANDARD FONT, SOME OTHER STANDARD FONT.

this can be done in notepad if it's easier for you. Bradley Hand is one of those fonts that comes with various applications, but not sure if it's standard outside of the graphic design or Office Applications. you want to hit the least common denominator, so if you go with { font-family: Bradley Hand ITC, Arial and the user doesn't have Bradley, it'll "cascade" (sound familiar?) to the next viable choice, that being Arial font.

tony

Up North
01-18-2005, 12:24 PM
Buck, I built the site around this time last year, but have just recently updated the photo page. Before just recently, it was simply a link from the home page that said "Under Construction" :o

I was hoping to get some input on the summary text. My goal was to give potential customers a little more insight into what went on with the job, and how or why we ended up where we did with the finsihed product.

I DO take a lot of pride in my work -- thanks for noticing. Sometimes prolly, to a fault.

Why not full time? My plan was to take it somewhat slow, and transition into full time from my current job. Plus, income from a f/t job allowed me to get a good base of equipment instead of struggling with inferior stuff. Instead of f/t 2006 as planned, who knows..... maybe it will be this year. I will tell you I was much busier last year than anticipated. There is no way I can keep doing the pace I did last summer. :dizzy:

Thanks again, Buck. :waving:

I can totally understand not going full time in that respect. That is one of the reasons I haven't gone full time yet either, maybe this year but most likely 2006. I'm thankfull for an understanding family as it takes more time away from them as I do my full time job all day then fulfill the commitments to the business which are early mornings, lunch breaks, evenings & weekends. It'll all pay off in the long run.

Buck

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 12:40 PM
btw, i have approx 3,000 or so fonts on my machine, thus bradley is no problem for my pc to display. the standard IE 5.0 load includes the following fonts (microsoft does not have the listing for 6, but i know bradley isn't among them):

Andale Mono (formerly Monotype.com)
Arial
Arial Black
Comic Sans MS
Courier New
Georgia
Impact
Times New Roman
Trebuchet MS
Verdana
Webdings

GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 01:02 PM
tony, the bradley hasn't been a problem on most machines, but the blueprint font which is the "Green Monster Landscapes" header has been. Maybe I should just make it a graphic instead?

BTW, you keep saying Bradley, but I believe the font I used is Tempus? Maybe are getting the actual font I choose -- although it WAS Bradley at one time.

Buck -- Yes. Family suffers the most, but I CANNOT continue in my current job where I'm constantly away from home. I do not want to look back 16 years from now, and wonder when my daughter grew up, cuz I missed it all :(

It better pay off. I'm working too hard for it not to.

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 01:44 PM
i'd make it a graphic (.gif).

with regard to tempus, my fault. the fonts are very similar styles. you have a style sheet attached, which is what i was looking at, but it's overridden by your actual html pages. did you realize that? either way, it's not part of the internet explorer load. it is part of ms office, but if the end-user doesn't have it, your page view will default to the visitor's selected default font in IE.

here's a list of products that include the tempus font:

Access 97 SR2, FrontPage 98, Greetings 99, Home Publishing 99, Office 2000 Premium, Office 97 Small Business Edition SR2, Office 97 SR1a, Office Professional Edition 2003, PhotoDraw 2000, Picture It! 2000, Picture It! 2002, Picture It! 98, Picture It! 99, Plus! 98, Publisher 2000, Publisher 97, Publisher 98, Works 2002

GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 02:47 PM
with regard to tempus, my fault. the fonts are very similar styles. you have a style sheet attached, which is what i was looking at, but it's overridden by your actual html pages. did you realize that?

YEAH, I KNEW THAT :rolleyes:

Sorry, no Tony. no idea what you're talking about, or how I would go about changing it, if I even should. I really just whipped this thing out in Frontpage using drag & drop. I didn't look at a single line of html code to build it. Quite frankly, at this point in time, I don't have the interest or time to learn HTML. That's why something like frontpage was so appealing.

Thanks for all your advice so far. If you think of anything else I should be doing, let me know.

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 02:50 PM
if the site displays as you'd like, then don't worry about the style sheet. it might be being used for certain aspects of your site that you don't realize, so don't bother.

style sheets allow you to make global site changes instead of having to change every little font tag.

GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 03:11 PM
if the site displays as you'd like, then don't worry about the style sheet. it might be being used for certain aspects of your site that you don't realize, so don't bother.

style sheets allow you to make global site changes instead of having to change every little font tag.

For the most part it does, but that sounds handy. How do I access it?

One more question, if you don't mind. I made a simple little change to the home page -- changed the "photos" button to "On-Line Portfolio". I've resent the index page, and anything else that seems to have changed, but it's not showing up on the web.

tonygreek
01-18-2005, 03:43 PM
i don't see the change either, and it's not a caching problem. i'd recheck that you saved the changes and resend the appropriate files.

as for the css file, you can open it from the link i posted earlier. or just look on your computer under that folder path. righ click and open it with notepad or through frontpage.

GreenMonster
01-18-2005, 03:48 PM
i don't see the change either, and it's not a caching problem. i'd recheck that you saved the changes and resend the appropriate files.

Yeah, I thought it was a caching issue too, but no. The changes are definately there when I open it in Frontpage, and the server seems to be updated with the latest changes. :confused: Now, when you make a change as I've described in frontpage, you're basically changing the template, correct. That is, the header, margins, footer and all that stuff changes on each page. Is there something along the lines of the template I need to upload????

I'll check out the .css file too.

Thanks again.

mdvaden
01-27-2005, 11:04 PM
I like the way it's set forth - simple and easy to understand.

A clear statement of what to expect, and then the photos.