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touhey33
01-19-2005, 08:23 PM
Do I need a liscense to apply granular fertilizer and preventive weed control. I don't wish to apply pesticides, but just like a four step fertilization program. Please Help and explain.


Green Envy Lawn Care

Smithers
01-19-2005, 08:37 PM
first, there is a fertilizer forum.

second, i think you dont need a license for STRAIGHT fertilizer. for anything that will kill weeds or any other problems, you do need a license.

lqmustang
01-19-2005, 09:56 PM
You don't say where you are except for the zip code. Look like you might be from Ohio? If so you DO need a pesticide license to apply fertilizers commercially.

TURF DOCTOR
01-19-2005, 09:59 PM
if you don't get caught. if you are commercial you need a lic if you are doing it for free no prob but try to tell the man you work for free.

TSM
01-19-2005, 11:59 PM
Do I need a liscense to apply granular fertilizer and preventive weed control. I don't wish to apply pesticides, but just like a four step fertilization program. Please Help and explain.


Green Envy Lawn Care

preventative weed control = pesticide

westwind
01-20-2005, 09:35 AM
minnesota requires a liscence for any commercial application. (service for hire)

touhey33
01-20-2005, 05:18 PM
I am from Indiana

sjj14
01-20-2005, 08:10 PM
I would not apply anything to anyones property without it. This is for your protection as well as the customers. Should anything go wrong with the app. pesticide or non pesticide not having a license can only hurt you. Cant say about your state but in most, the tests are straight forward and easily obtained. Look into your states dept. of Ag. for requirements and I think you will find what you need.

jajwrigh
01-20-2005, 08:48 PM
I am from Indiana

I am in Indiana too and fully licensed. PM me and I will give you all of the information that you need to be legal. Please take this seriously!! I wish someone could have helped me this way!

qps
01-23-2005, 04:48 PM
I am from Indiana

I'm also in Indiana and yes you do have to be certified and have a license and insured to apply fert.weed control, or round-up on curbs... check with the IOSC website to answer your questions. :)

Smithers
01-23-2005, 04:54 PM
i dont think the tests are fair. they have WAY too much information on something that we would never use....like calibrating the equipment. who is ever going to need it?

bobbygedd
01-23-2005, 10:25 PM
i dont think the tests are fair. they have WAY too much information on something that we would never use....like calibrating the equipment. who is ever going to need it?
???????? :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: :cry: :cry: :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

Smithers
01-23-2005, 10:37 PM
you got a problem with my statement?

bobbygedd
01-23-2005, 10:53 PM
yes, i do. who will calibrate your equipment?

chimmygew
01-24-2005, 11:46 AM
In Indiana, you do not have to have a license to apply granular fertilizer as long as it doesn't have any weed controlling agents in it. You do have to have a license to apply tank mixed fertilizer. You also must have a license to put down anything that controls weeds Pre-em and post emergent.

And I also agree with Bobby, knowing how to calibrate your equipment is very important for safety and controlling cost.

qps
01-24-2005, 12:51 PM
In Indiana, you do not have to have a license to apply granular fertilizer as long as it doesn't have any weed controlling agents in it. You do have to have a license to apply tank mixed fertilizer. You also must have a license to put down anything that controls weeds Pre-em and post emergent.

And I also agree with Bobby, knowing how to calibrate your equipment is very important for safety and controlling cost.

I not sure about that, it's my understanding that if your charging for it..even if its just fert. you must be licensed. better double check that one....I could be wrong... :)

Smithers
01-25-2005, 08:00 PM
yes, i do. who will calibrate your equipment?
ok, i said the wrong thing. but stuff like safety for example...they can ask so many questions about it, but yet, if you have a little common sense, you will never have a problem.

i dont know about you, but i will never use a boom sprayer on a tractor. they are talking how to calibrate and use it. i will never need it.

here is an actual practice question from the test:

"no grass varieties ca repel insects pests (true or false)."

who the hell cares? all i am going to do is go to lesco or wherever, say, "it's that time of year again. give me what i should apply (having in mind what the product is). get the bag, open it at the client's DRIVEWAY, pour some in the spreader, adjust the setting and have at it.

is there anything more to it? am i missing something?

philk17088
01-25-2005, 08:27 PM
ok, i said the wrong thing. but stuff like safety for example...they can ask so many questions about it, but yet, if you have a little common sense, you will never have a problem.

i dont know about you, but i will never use a boom sprayer on a tractor. they are talking how to calibrate and use it. i will never need it.

here is an actual practice question from the test:

"no grass varieties ca repel insects pests (true or false)."

who the hell cares? all i am going to do is go to lesco or wherever, say, "it's that time of year again. give me what i should apply (having in mind what the product is). get the bag, open it at the client's DRIVEWAY, pour some in the spreader, adjust the setting and have at it.

is there anything more to it? am i missing something?

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. If not, do us a favor, find another line of work. ;)

Smithers
01-25-2005, 08:40 PM
I hope to god you are being sarcastic. If not, do us a favor, find another line of work. ;)
philk17088,

enlighten me, please!! what do you do when you are going to fertilize someone's yard.

James Cormier
01-25-2005, 10:34 PM
philk17088,

enlighten me, please!! what do you do when you are going to fertilize someone's yard.

Ive been away from the board for awhile, so I missed alot.

But my god George, I really think you must just be trying to get people's feathers ruffled, but like Phill says, if your serious you need to stick to mowing lawns and stay out of the fert business.

Or take a step back, read what your writing, realize it sounds absolutely ridiculous and start over.

James Cormier
01-25-2005, 10:39 PM
ok, i said the wrong thing. but stuff like safety for example...they can ask so many questions about it, but yet, if you have a little common sense, you will never have a problem.

i dont know about you, but i will never use a boom sprayer on a tractor. they are talking how to calibrate and use it. i will never need it.

here is an actual practice question from the test:

"no grass varieties ca repel insects pests (true or false)."

who the hell cares? all i am going to do is go to lesco or wherever, say, "it's that time of year again. give me what i should apply (having in mind what the product is). get the bag, open it at the client's DRIVEWAY, pour some in the spreader, adjust the setting and have at it.

is there anything more to it? am i missing something?

Okay, learning how to calibrate a boom sprayer on a tractor will help you learn how to calibrate anything, or any piece of spraying equipment

What happens when lesco is closed that day, or better yet they just hired a former landscaper that couldn't make it and he tells you to apply product A when you should have applied product B, and the lawn is dead.

By your comments on this thread, I would have to say Yes, you are missing alot of something!

Smithers
01-25-2005, 11:21 PM
By your comments on this thread, I would have to say Yes, you are missing alot of something!


i am just trying to understand the science behind the application. that's all.

about the lesco dealer, it's just an example. i can go to any other whole seller and get the same product there. Home depot has a program that even an idiot can follow. so wrong product application is out of the question. I am not going to make my own fertilizer in the basement, either.

So, i am still trying to understand why there is a difference between applying fertilizer to my own yard and Chem Lawn coming with their vehicle and applying the same fertilizer to my yard!!

You are jumping on me without explaining what you do differently when you go to a client's house and i don't think it's fair. i have been asking you the same question over and over and you are still hung up on my statements and calling them absurd.

you do read the label on the bag, right? the setting for the appropriate spreader is listed.as a homeowner, i can buy the exact same bag, use the exact same spreader, use the same setting and walk the same pace as the "professional". (of course that's assuming that the equipment is calibrated and all.)

so tell me. what do YOU do differently than a homeowner?

I am glad that i started this. finally i hope to understand the mystery behind fertilizer application.

Jim, you said that i am "missing a lot of something". would you care to share what that "something" is? that's why you are here - to learn and share knowledge with other people, right?

James Cormier
01-25-2005, 11:30 PM
"i dont think the tests are fair. they have WAY too much information on something that we would never use....like calibrating the equipment. who is ever going to need it?

who the hell cares? all i am going to do is go to lesco or wherever, say, "it's that time of year again. give me what i should apply (having in mind what the product is). get the bag, open it at the client's DRIVEWAY, pour some in the spreader, adjust the setting and

you got a problem with my statement?"

These comments dont seem to come from someone that wants to learn about this business, or learn how to do thing right.

James Cormier
01-25-2005, 11:45 PM
Alright I will try to respond to a few of your comments here,

"Home depot has a program that even an idiot can follow. so wrong product application is out of the question."

Do you know the #1 miss user of pesticides are the homeowner, because they get advise at home depot from people that dont know what there talking about.

"So, i am still trying to understand why there is a difference between applying fertilizer to my own yard and Chem Lawn coming with their vehicle and applying the same fertilizer to my yard!!"

We chemdog might be a bad example, but I know a few guys that have been spraying for them since 1980, those guys dont need the guy at lesco to tell them what bug is present and what product to apply, they get down on their hands and knee's find the bug, or evidence of it, and then apply the correct product at the right time, in the proper way. Now I would fall under that category. So thats huge difference than someone relying on what the guy a lesco tells him to do!

"You are jumping on me without explaining what you do differently when you go to a client's house and i don't think it's fair. i have been asking you the same question over and over and you are still hung up on my statements and calling them absurd."

I think your just asking for someone to jump on you, by the nature of your posts.

"you do read the label on the bag, right? the setting for the appropriate spreader is listed.as a homeowner, i can buy the exact same bag, use the exact same spreader, use the same setting and walk the same pace as the "professional". (of course that's assuming that the equipment is calibrated and all.)

so tell me. what do YOU do differently than a homeowner?"

Well refer to my first statement about misuse of materials, homeowners dont read labels, and they think more is better. They apply products with sneakers, sandals or even bare feet, and usually apply the wrong product at the wrong time. So again their is a huge difference to what I do, compared to what harry homeowner does, or I wouldnt be in this business for 20 years.

"I am glad that i started this. finally i hope to understand the mystery behind fertilizer application."

Well I believe you cant figure this mystery out by reading posts on a lawn forum, I started part time in high school working for a national company measuring lawns, then full time measuring lawns, then lawn specialist for several years, then route supervisors for several years, then director of marketing and employee training for several years, then started my own business 10 years ago, and trust me there is nothing I can tell you here, that can make up for all the time I got on lawns, doing the work.

DiscoveryLawn
01-25-2005, 11:58 PM
ok, i said the wrong thing. but stuff like safety for example...they can ask so many questions about it, but yet, if you have a little common sense, you will never have a problem.

i dont know about you, but i will never use a boom sprayer on a tractor. they are talking how to calibrate and use it. i will never need it.

here is an actual practice question from the test:

"no grass varieties ca repel insects pests (true or false)."

who the hell cares? all i am going to do is go to lesco or wherever, say, "it's that time of year again. give me what i should apply (having in mind what the product is). get the bag, open it at the client's DRIVEWAY, pour some in the spreader, adjust the setting and have at it.

is there anything more to it? am i missing something?

Pretenz, sorry for this. I feel compelled to jump on your ass as well, so here goes.

If you do not know what type of grass you are treating and what the fertility requirements are. Then how do you know what to apply to the lawn?

If you do not know how to properly identify a disease problem. How will you know if you should apply a fungicide, more N, less N, advise the customer to water, don't water, bag clippings or leave them?

If you don't know the difference between grub damage and chinch bug damage how are you going to properly select the proper products to apply?
Or, are you simply going to go into GUESCO and say give me whatever ya got to kill bugs in the grass.

The thing about reading the label, sure you will find valuable information there that you must know in order to properly apply that particular material. It does not tell you if you actually have the right product to begin with. It is not going to decipher a soil test analysis for you and tell you if you should be applying P to this lawn or not. If you are a homeowner throwing pesticides around your own little piece of the earth, that is one thing. But when you are a "Licensed Professional" servicing hundreds of lawns per month, you have the ability to do a lot of damage if you do not know what you are doing.

Petrenz, I am sure you are starting to get the point by now. Your (apparent)attitude so far has me very concerned about you out there representing the lawn care industry. Perhaps you should consider working for a responsible lawn care company in your area for awhile to learn the value of KNOWING WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE DOING before you go out and start throwing pesticides around. Of course your other option (preferred) is to remain in the maintenance sector (not that there is anything wrong with that.)

David

DiscoveryLawn
01-26-2005, 12:01 AM
[QUOTE=James Cormier]Alright I will try to respond to a few of your comments here, ...

Sorry James,
Didn't mean to step on your toes. You posted while I was writing my post.

David

James Cormier
01-26-2005, 08:49 AM
[QUOTE=James Cormier]Alright I will try to respond to a few of your comments here, ...

Sorry James,
Didn't mean to step on your toes. You posted while I was writing my post.

David

No stepping on my toes, David, I like your response, I see we where both up late last night.

More snow today...ugg

philk17088
01-26-2005, 09:55 AM
philk17088,

enlighten me, please!! what do you do when you are going to fertilize someone's yard.
I need to know my rates,what amount of each element I'm putting down. I need to know that my spreader is calibrated correctly for the material I'm using. I need to know if the home owner has applied anything recently to "help it along". I need to know if there are any possible probelms in the lawn that would be aggrevated by an application of fertilizer.

Oh the hell with it.. :angry:

chimmygew
01-26-2005, 11:33 AM
I not sure about that, it's my understanding that if your charging for it..even if its just fert. you must be licensed. better double check that one....I could be wrong... :)

Nope, just checked again on the Indiana State Chemist Office website. No license required for granular fertilizer. Only liquid.

William J. L.
01-28-2005, 08:37 AM
First of all...as the other guy mentioned weed control IS a pesticide. Please read up and learn as much as you can. We don't need novices out there. Some customers already think that we're all summer help spray jockeys slapping chemicals on their lawn!

We live on the Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana borders...and Kentucky is very strict.

James Cormier
01-28-2005, 08:46 AM
Nope, just checked again on the Indiana State Chemist Office website. No license required for granular fertilizer. Only liquid.

Only liquid? Only liquid what, you mean liquid fert you need a license or are you assuming if its sprayed its a pesticide?

Seems kinda silly a state wouldn't require a license for granular fert but not liquid fert, to me fert is fert!

greenngrow
01-28-2005, 08:48 AM
First of all...as the other guy mentioned weed control IS a pesticide. Please read up and learn as much as you can. We don't need novices out there. Some customers already think that we're all summer help spray jockeys slapping chemicals on their lawn!

We live on the Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana borders...and Kentucky is very strict.

Yes They are :waving: :dizzy:

qps
01-28-2005, 08:53 AM
Nope, just checked again on the Indiana State Chemist Office website. No license required for granular fertilizer. Only liquid.


I would have thought applying even dry fert. would require cert. because of the issue of laying down to much N and runoff in ponds and stream could be a issue...that doesn't make sense to me....oh well ;)

James Cormier
01-28-2005, 09:57 AM
I would have thought applying even dry fert. would require cert. because of the issue of laying down to much N and runoff in ponds and stream could be a issue...that doesn't make sense to me....oh well ;)

I think that would be covered under general business liability insurance, and I am assuming ALL lawn care owners have at least this ( I know I dreaming ) but a license just to apply liquid fert and not granular fert, that really doesn't make much sense, but what government programs do?

chimmygew
01-28-2005, 11:17 AM
And the stupid thing about the license for the tank mixed fertilizer is all you have to do to get your license to apply it is send them $100.00 and proof of insurance and keep application records. No test required. But, no license is needed for granular fert.

grass_cuttin_fool
01-28-2005, 11:34 AM
Ok guys I want to ask a question?. 1st I dont have an application liscense. When you speak of a '' pesticide '' liscense, is that for insects and such? I would think something such as a ''herbicide'' would be used as weed control in a lawn?
Originally Posted by William J. L.
First of all...as the other guy mentioned weed control IS a pesticide

qps
01-28-2005, 11:51 AM
Ok guys I want to ask a question?. 1st I dont have an application liscense. When you speak of a '' pesticide '' liscense, is that for insects and such? I would think something such as a ''herbicide'' would be used as weed control in a lawn?
Originally Posted by William J. L.
First of all...as the other guy mentioned weed control IS a pesticide


pesticide is a general term...pest can be that dandelion in your yard...using a herbicide to control it....see what I'm getting at. or a fire ant crawling up your pant leg....etc..... :)

qps
01-28-2005, 11:55 AM
I think that would be covered under general business liability insurance, and I am assuming ALL lawn care owners have at least this ( I know I dreaming ) but a license just to apply liquid fert and not granular fert, that really doesn't make much sense, but what government programs do?

Yeah, call your agent with " I burn up a customers lawn with dry fertilizer, that I mow and he want me to re sod the whole thing....I'm covered right". then listen for the laughter on the end. You would see so much two stepped. back peddling.....you know what I mean :)

bobbygedd
01-28-2005, 12:48 PM
insecticides, herbicides, and fungicides fall under one category= PESTICIDES

qps
01-28-2005, 12:55 PM
insecticides, herbicides, and fungicides fall under one category= PESTICIDES


Anything used to control a pest is called a Pesticide...even soap and water.... :)

bobbygedd
01-28-2005, 01:42 PM
Anything used to control a pest is called a Pesticide...even soap and water.... :)
wrong,and right, it's not categorized as a pesticide, WHEN THE USER decides to use it AS a pesticide, the product is still not considered a pesticide, but SOME pesticide LAWS now become aplicable

qps
01-28-2005, 02:03 PM
wrong,and right, it's not categorized as a pesticide, WHEN THE USER decides to use it AS a pesticide, the product is still not considered a pesticide, but SOME pesticide LAWS now become aplicable


makes sense.....by the way I think there two p's in applicable :p

PR Fect
01-28-2005, 05:43 PM
George, now that everyone jump on your a**, I would like to say you did bring up a valid point. If we take the pesticide part out of it and stick to just fertilizer, many people, I would even say most people do not see any difference in who, how, or what is applied. Thats because there may not be a big difference! And that in it self is a problem for both the green industry, the environment, and the customer. The idea is to be PROFESSIONAL. Most LCO's can fix their own mower. But we all take them to a professional mechanic at the dealer from time to time. Most of us could paint our own house, but yet when it is done by a professional painter you sure can tell the difference. We tend to be our own worst enemy's. We need to both promote and show there is a difference between, the lawn boy and a turfgrass professional.