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greenedge
01-26-2005, 03:01 PM
I am trying to apply for a grant to expand my business. Does anyone have any information? Thanks Jesse

MacLawnCo
01-26-2005, 03:37 PM
ever been Snipe hunting? kinda the same thing.

tonygreek
01-26-2005, 03:45 PM
unless you are a non-profit, it's as mac says. the bulk of what you hear about getting grants for your business is nothing but scams.

if you search on "grant", you'll find a few threads on this with greater detail.

tony

promower
01-27-2005, 12:17 PM
I am actually in the process of doing an application now. It's a lot of work I spend about 5-10 hrs. per week on it. One way of going about it is you need to partner up with a non profit organization that will help support your business plan. It doesnt necessarily have to be green industry related. Getting non profits to help back you isnt as hard as it sounds, basically you offer them a percentage of your award when you get it, say 5%, a lot of non profits will jump on this because it's basicaly free money for them with little to no work. Talk to potential funders, find out there requirements to apply for the grant, and make sure they have an interest in what you trying to do. Have a very well organized, easy to read application, I personally am also including my business plan. When my final ap is done it will probably be around 40-50 pages. Go to the bookstore and get some books on writing sucessful grants. It's a lot more involved then just filling out a few pages of paper work. You need to show that your community needs landscapers/lawn guys, how you better your community, etc... So far it's been a great winter project for me and who knows I may even get some money out of it. Either way doing this has given me a better understanding of my own business, why I 've chosen this career path, how I can make my company work, and a much better understanding of my numbers.

ladibugg
01-28-2005, 02:45 PM
Wow! Snipe?
Grants are real and obtainable.
Get in contact with your local SCORE program.
Talk with local and state Gov. they will be glad to head you in the right direction. Fed. grants are a large part of your local governments buget.
Also, your banker will help along with any University Extension Office.
Just like the previous post states, it is a great exercise in bus. planning.
There are professional grant writing offices if you want to pay someone to do it for you.

tonygreek
01-28-2005, 03:20 PM
ladibugg, do you actually have any experience with grants for the private, for profit sector???? your advice, especially the possibility of hiring someone to do it for you is irresponsible at best, and throwing money into the wind at worse.

i'll give on the "understanding your business" aspect as a great exercise, but grants for for profit business is highly, highly unattainable.

tony

tonygreek
01-28-2005, 03:30 PM
from the SBA (small business administration) and SCORE (service corp of retired executives):

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this is taken directly from the intro paragraph on the sba.gov website, specifically under the grants section:

The U.S. Small Business Administration does not offer grants to start or expand small businesses, although it does offer a wide variety of loan programs. (See http://www.sba.gov/financing for more information) While SBA does offer some grant programs, these are generally designed to expand and enhance organizations that provide small business management, technical, or financial assistance. These grants generally support non-profit organizations, intermediary lending institutions, and state and local governments.

http://www.sba.gov/expanding/grants.html

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and from SCORE:

Funny Money: Claims of "Free" Government Funding for Entrepreneurs are No Laughing Matter

Let’s get the bad news out of the way first: there is no such thing as free money from the federal government to start or expand your small business.

Does that mean all those ads for books, seminars and courses claiming to help you tap into little-known programs are wrong? It depends. While there are some patently false and misleading advertisers out there, most “free money” pitches simply do not tell the entire story. There is a reason why the proverbial “fine print” is so small.

True, many government agencies provide grants to small businesses, as do private organizations and institutions. But as home-business-savvy.com notes, “they generally direct their assistance toward specific projects, charities, lending institutions, non-profit organizations, educational institutions, etc. Very little money goes to individuals.”

The U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA), an agency dedicated to the growth and success of the nation’s entrepreneurs, is no different. What few grant programs the SBA has are directed mainly to non-profits, intermediary lending institutions and programs administered by states and localities for purposes such as economic revitalization and technology research.

http://www.score.org/free_money.html

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rodfather
01-28-2005, 03:49 PM
Get a business revolving line of credit from your bank...so much easier to deal with too btw.

promower
01-28-2005, 05:37 PM
I also agree that a credit line from your bank is much easier. Another note on the grants, free federal funding to start a business is not common and is very tough to get. Most gov. funding is not free they also offer loans with either little and in many cases 0% interest. When applying for grants your best chance of getting money from them is through the many different small business loans they offer.

gene gls
01-28-2005, 08:42 PM
There was a program on TV this afternoon that was encourageing people to learn how to apply. Supposingly, there is a lot of "free" money available if you are elegiable and apply to the proper agencies. This info was listed on the program........www.ngcreg.com


Gene

ladibugg
01-29-2005, 09:16 AM
Yes, grants are real and yes I have personal experience in grants.
One is a young women in Northern Mich. that used the money to purchase heavy equipment and now has large gov. contracts putting in guard rails along highways. She is from the town I grew up in.
I also know two different people in two different areas of Michigan that have made a living helping people get grants.
One is the person that helped write the guard rail grant I will try to post and the other one I met through SCORE.
I get the impression some would believe grants are a myth.
I am not advocating that one jump on the latenight TV bandwagon and order up the next set of books on free money.
I simply can't believe that someone would say something does'nt exsist when I have seen it first hand. I find that irrational.
What I am saying is:
1) I have seen our tax money going into grants.
2) My banker, Score reps, local gov., and many others in the know have spoken with me about grants.
3) My college education was funded by a grant.
4) I know of companies started by grant money.
5) Not every Tom, Dick and Harry can get a grant, but saying that they are not available is ludicrous.

MacLawnCo
01-29-2005, 11:01 AM
One is a young women in Northern Mich. that used the money to purchase heavy equipment and now has large gov. contracts putting in guard rails along highways.
Im delighted to know she got a grant. Do you notice anything special about her circumstances? 1, she is a woman. 2, the govt has a vested interest in her business.
I also know two different people in two different areas of Michigan that have made a living helping people get grants.
ask them how many for-profit businesses, as a percent of all grant recipients get money. My mom is the director of a million dollar a year non-proft corp. Yes, there are grants out there and she routinely gets them. We are talking for profit, private sector businesses here.
I get the impression some would believe grants are a myth.no, but in this context, grants to our businesses are highly unlikely

3) My college education was funded by a grant.
not to brag, but I know first hand they exist too. Im currently recieving 3 academic scholarships.
4) I know of companies started by grant money.
again, were these for profit, private sector businesses?
5) Not every Tom, Dick and Harry can get a grant, but saying that they are not available is ludicrous.
the thing is, we are talking about everyday Tom, Dick, and Harrys here.

... dont take this as a personal attack. Just defending my position that grants to our type of businesses are about as likely as finding a snipe.

ladibugg
01-29-2005, 11:22 AM
Your mommy should have raised you better.
Your position is one of irresponsibility.
Grants are available to those who qualify. To say otherwise is admitting stupidity.
Yes it is easier for a minority, yes it is easier for gov. contracts.
However the post was "where do I start" and the responses were "don't bother".
I'm standing up and shouting grants are given to private for-profit co. that qualify and this person will not know if they qualify without some leg work.
Even the post from SBA admitted that grants do exist but yet you still argue?
:realmad:

promower
01-29-2005, 11:35 AM
Everyone can qualify, white males may have the least chance but they still get grants. I have a friend that lives in Texas, his brother got a grant to open a tatoo shop. If he can get a grant, landscapers have just as good of chance. I know before applying for mine I will be shifting majority ownership to my girlfriend so we can apply for woman owned business grants. Sneaky, maybe but hey business is business.

tonygreek
01-29-2005, 12:32 PM
ladibug, i find it greatly amusing that the sources you cited, are sources that i directly quoted from. these were not quotes buried within the fine print, they were the lead-ins to their respective grant sections. the odds, as you like to explain being realistic, are akin to that of winning your state lottery. maybe you should add to your advice to also lay down cash on the scratch-offs to also reap the rewards and fund your start-up.

the guardrail thing is an apples to oranges comparison. anything dealing with the gov't (read: not private sector) is the apple. a private sector, for profit business is the orange. your argument keeps bleeding into the aforementioned apple territory. so, if you would like to start a minority-owned gov't contractor who specializes in mowing, knock yourself out. i'll bet you might even get a grant. be careful though, as once you get moderatly sized in your revenue, they'll take your advantage away from you, and the next step is to form a spin-off company and start anew. golly, almost sounds like i have some experience with that....

as for the sba "admitted that they do exist" is a grandiose twisting of words. --" While SBA does offer some grant programs, these are generally designed to expand and enhance organizations that provide small business management, technical, or financial assistance."-- if you don't realize it, those are non-profs, and in a smaller capacity, gov't sector, that they are talking about. to take the word "generally" and spin that as a chink in the armor is silly. you're talking about an lco. no offense to the owners here, but when was the last time an lco changed the world or created dozens of jobs at it's inception? don't confuse this with a start-up that's researching a cure for cancer. "materially beneficial to a community" comes to mind. now, if i were to expand my business through the creation of a dozen full-time jobs, i can qualify for various tax abatements, so if you want to call that a grant, there you go. but start-up grants or exansion grants are another beast.

try this: pick up the phone, call your local score branch and tell them you want to start a mowing business. will you, as an affilliate of the federally run SBA, give me the money to do so? after that, do the same with the SBA.

i'm not going to continue this argument, that in real world "application" is actually not an argument.