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scraper69
02-04-2005, 10:36 AM
lookin into a 6yd dump ..6500 chevy or F650 .. decisions..?? Gas or deisel../ deisel is about 9k more... like deisel..but really dont put the mileage on to account for extra cost.. any suggestions../? and any comments on types of 6yard dumps.. good bad ...pros and cons.. chevy vs international vs ford???

thanks

Stinger
02-04-2005, 11:26 PM
Rented a International diesel 6yd dump last month to deliver 40 yards of mulch to a job. Not really loaded heavy enough to tell the true performance of the diesel at only 8 yds per load. Truck had over 200,000 miles on it and ran well overall. The fuel gage was broke but it had dual self leveling tanks so that was ok. Five speed manual tranny was also good. Just couldn't't get her much past 70 unless I was headed downhill.

scraper69
02-05-2005, 09:37 AM
i'm leaning toward the Chevy Kodiak.. 6500 just cant decide.. DEISEL OR GAS and AUTO or MANUAL>///

RedWingsDet
02-05-2005, 10:01 AM
I have no expierence with those kind of trucks.

But an Auto Diesel sounds pretty dang inviting!!!!

TerraVenture
02-05-2005, 10:31 AM
not sure about chevy but all of the other manufacturers no longer offer gas engines in class 6 trucks. I wouldn't even consider gas even it was offered. The longevity, torque and fuel economy sold me on diesel long ago. A class 6 truck will probably be getting around 8mpg I would assume. I know from talking to truckers that the large class 8 ten wheelers and tri axles running 400 to 600 hp trucks get between 5 and 7mpg.

Albemarle Lawn
02-05-2005, 11:14 AM
I have a C5500 Kodiak, GVW 22,000, automatic, with Duramax/Allison LCT2400.

It runs well, very strong even fully loaded. Stays at 22,000 most of the time with my Cat skidsteer on board.

The 7800 Duramax straight-six is worth getting. If not, the 6.6 or Caterpillar are available too.

The gasser will be an underpowered fuel pig in that size truck. Gassers are mostly intended for UHAUL, etc, where someone else is paying the gas bill.

scraper69
02-05-2005, 01:10 PM
i kinda agree.. hey what can you load up in your 5500.. is it a 3 yd or 6 yd box...

sdwally
02-05-2005, 04:08 PM
If the area you are in is realitivly flat, gas will be ok. If it is hilly, go diesel. Diesel will handle hills better fully loaded without slowing down to a snail pace. My opinion though. Diesels engines last longer, but cost more to maintain.

scraper69
02-05-2005, 06:11 PM
they do last longer.. but the truck will probably rust out before the engine dies... why have an engine if you have no frame or body

Gravel Rat
02-05-2005, 10:15 PM
You definatly don't want a gas powered truck unless you really want a truck that will get 6mpg tops and a truck that has no pulling power whatsoever.

As for size of a truck a 650 is a pretty small truck which is a 3 ton and let me guess you are trying to buy a truck that is under the CDL rule you guys have to deal with in the states. A 650 Ford or a 6500 Chev won't haul much material I bet by the time you put the box on the truck you will have about 5 ton legal payload.

If you really want a good single axle dump truck look at a T-300 kenworth or a 330/335 Pete with 3126 cat power. It will cost you more up front but the truck will out last the Ford 650 and the 6500 Chev by a large margin and the resale value will be far better.

If you are looking just for a landscape truck then stick with a 450-550 Ford or 4500-5500 Chev.

scraper69
02-05-2005, 11:10 PM
no it has nothing to do with Cdl.. i have my class a cdl endorsement.. so i could drive a gravel train w. air .. just need an upgrade from my 3yd

Gravel Rat
02-06-2005, 12:56 AM
Well go with a T-300 Kenworth or a 335 Pete single axle and never look back you will have the truck for the next 10 or more years. Ford and GM medium duty trucks are the cheapest quality truck you can buy. I wouldn't ever buy a F-650 or F-750 or any Chev medium duty.

You can also order a Mack Granite CV712 single axle dump its another option.

If your looking for a cheaper option then go with a Sterling Acterra or a Sterling L-8500 single axle dump.

If you want something that will actually work get a better truck Ford and GM shouldn't even be considered.

I work in the excavation industry light underpowered single axle dumps are useless. If it can't haul 6-7 yards (14,000lbs of material) 1/2 of what a tandem axle truck can haul then why bother owning it. If you have a 3 yard truck now why upgrade to a truck that can only haul 2 yards more which is all what a 650 Ford will haul.

If you don't want to spend the money on a new truck try find a good used single axle with a minimum 33,000lb gvw. If your looking for a good used single axle try find a L-8000 Ford avoid the ones with the 5.9 cummins way underpowered.

scraper69
02-06-2005, 09:02 AM
really . you dont like the Gm or Ford? i guess i understand from your trade view. A freightliner or pete seem to be whats used for that around here alot.
But im told the Chevy 6500 holds 6-7yds of material?? IS this wrong

hosejockey2002
02-06-2005, 04:56 PM
The truck may hold 6-7 yards of material, but weight is what will limit you. 7 yards of gravel weighs around 10 tons, which is way more than a single axle truck can legally haul unless you go with the largest 34000 gvw trucks with air brakes. If all you haul is mulch, then no problem.

Gravel Rat
02-07-2005, 12:54 AM
You will want to beable to pack 6 yards of material which should be the minimum I chose to use Navvy Jack (cement gravel) as a example so 6 yards of that is 16,000lbs.

The heaviest finished material is 1 1/4-1 1/2 drain rock which is 2900lbs per yard but you do run into denser and heavier pit run.

For a single axle dump you should have minimum 21,000lb rear axle but 23,000lbs prefered and for front axle minimum 10,000lbs but 12,000lb prefered. You want the suspension to match the axle numbers you don't want heavier axles with light springs.

Most people in this area will not hire a single axle truck if it can't pack 6 yards or more because the rate of a single axle per hour in this area is 55 dollars per hour. A tandem axle is 65 and it can haul you a yard or material to 14 yards of material.

There are guys with 1 and 1.5 ton trucks I'am one of them that will haul upto 3 yards depending on the material I charge 40 bucks per hour. I'am still debating if I want to buy a tandem and add to the list of contractors with them.

Smalltimer1
02-07-2005, 12:24 PM
Our '87 Chevy C-70 single axle has a GVW of 33,000 pounds, and has an effective payload of 10 tons. We use it to haul wheat, logs, and gravel. Wheat is heavier than you think, we've have 17,000lbs. of wheat on the truck at one time. It does pretty good with gravel, but the back gate is getting worn so we will be rebuilding the rear gate over the summer. The other issue it has is rust, the floorboards are eat up with it, and it has several rust holes. You can look at the older (late 80's early 90's) F-800's (gas and light diesel powered tandems) and L-8000 and L-9000 Louisville trucks (diesel tandems only), for heavier payloads with a Ford.

By the way, rumor has it that Ford bought back the Louisville line of heavy trucks from Sterling (Diamler/Chrysler) and Ford production of the L-series will resume in 2007.

Another option is the International trucks. I have heard lots of good things about the HT-570 in the heavier trucks and DT-466 in the lighter trucks, but in heavy trucks I prefer Cat diesel power, although in a smaller truck the DT-466 is a great engine.

scraper69
02-07-2005, 01:17 PM
will it hold 6yds of stripped sod or topsoil, or even 6 yds of 21aa? thats what i need. My 3yd holds like 4 yds of sod..packed. If it can hold double my 3yd trucks capacity, then i am OK , let me know your views!

GTLC
02-27-2005, 07:53 PM
What about a good old IH

TTM1
02-28-2005, 08:47 AM
Ford makes the best work truck on the market. Chevy has more luxery items and is nice if you're taking your family out of if you're a lawyer or doctor. We're not wearing suits to cut grass or put out mulch. Stick with something that will last in the work environment. Buy a Ford!