nothern lco's, dimension or pre-m

[lawn king]

After many years of pre-m,following several years of team,following many years of balan that was after tuppersan, we have had good luck with dimension and plan to continue it's use! Pre-m or dimension?

[DUSTYCEDAR]

dimension
is my choice works well

[turf hokie]

Dimension- split application
if for no other reason it doesn't turn everything yellow.

[Enviro Green]

What rate of ai per acre on your dimension spilts?

We are planning on using splits this season.

EG

[lawn king]

We have never done split apps, and never will! We get good control with one app,proper mowing height and watering!

[James Cormier]

We have never done split apps, and never will! We get good control with one app,proper mowing height and watering!

King we do one app of granular fert & dim, then I sell a 2nd treatment (done with regular rd 2 ) that is a liquid spray, sometimes dimension or acclaim. Its priced for acclaim, this coming year I will try more dimension

[lawn king]

King we do one app of granular fert & dim, then I sell a 2nd treatment (done with regular rd 2 ) that is a liquid spray, sometimes dimension or acclaim. Its priced for acclaim, this coming year I will try more dimension
That is a great idea james,sell a second crabgrass treatment and apply it on the regular schedule round 2. that saves time and time is money,i like it!!!

[turf hokie]

I use the 4.13 lbs/1,000 rate. It is a little high since the labels says we are in the North region. But I really feel that we are still transition here. (same zone as VA). I have tried single apps and I have tried lower rate split apps and have had failure.

I would imagine that up in MA and north of me could get away with one app. I don't feel comfortable doing that around here.

[lawn king]

One app works fine for us,the few callbacks we receieve we treat with drive.I will never work with pre-m again,the results are good but the product is filthy!

[Turf Smart]

I think both have advantages and disadvantages. The Pre-M is very messy to work with because of the yellow color but does work very well on summer annual weeds like oxalis and spurge. Dimension has a much longer residual and more effective on crabgrass, but, I question its control on summer annuals. Dimension is also restricted-use in NY so an applicators license is required, but I am safe.

[Hamons]

Also, look at the root pruning of eacg chemical. Big difference.

[turf hokie]

Not to change the subject. But just b/c a product is RUP does not affect my decisions.

Merit is now RUP in NY, what is everyone going to do?

Drive isn't even registered in NY.

If I had it my way everything would be an RUP so that only Licensed operators could purchase the products.

[Turf Smart]

Turf Hokie, I agree with you regarding everyone having a license but that is a whole other subject we could go on, and on, and on, and on.......about.
As for Merit being restricted, I guess those who are unlicensed will have to resort to curative controls like Dylox or Sevin for grubs. As for Drive, I'm not really up to speed on it but have heard it works great. I use Acclaim Extra for control of crabgrass already sprouted.

[timturf]

I just don't understand the split applications!

[lawn king]

I just don't understand the split applications!
Some companys think they attain better control by applying 50% of the recommended AI in early spring and 50 % in late spring. I don't split apps myself. One app and proper maintenence works well for us!

[TurfProSTL]

I also don't understand the reasoning behind split apps (if the total AI would be the same as a single treatment.) Unless a company is expecting high customer cancellations after the first application, what is the point?

[lawn king]

Our program is 5 apps, approximately 6 weeks apart. Ther'e are options as well such as aeration,lime,etc. Time mgmt.is everything in this business,if we have a crabgrass situation,we do a post app. and move on. Two half rate apps don't add up in my thinking. Just my opinion.

[turf hokie]

I do split apps to create a longer window of control.
My theory is that if Dimension lasts 6-8 weeks at a full rate great. If I do split apps 5-6 weeks apart then I can get 12 weeks of control even better.

Crabgrass does not stop germinating in May. So if I apply in late march then I will have break thru from the late germinating crabgrass in June. This is my theory and it works for me. I have tried to use one app and had disastrous results with both Pre-m and Dimension. So now I hold to the method of split apps. Don't get me wrong there are guys out there who use one app of the .25 AI product and say they get the control they are looking for. I use the .10 AI product 2X and it works for me.

Besides the customers think they are getting a better service when I tell them I do two pre-emergent applications. It only costs a few pennies per more 1,000 sq ft to do the second app. versus a straight fert. And the money that I saved in Acclaim Extra and the labor to apply the post emergent crabgrass more than makes up for the few extra pennies I put into the 2nd round of dimension.

But I guess that is a long post to say that in my experience 2 applications work for me and it gives me a little more of a selling point in a lot of situaitons.

[timturf]

I do split apps to create a longer window of control.
My theory is that if Dimension lasts 6-8 weeks at a full rate great. If I do split apps 5-6 weeks apart then I can get 12 weeks of control even better.

Crabgrass does not stop germinating in May. So if I apply in late march then I will have break thru from the late germinating crabgrass in June. This is my theory and it works for me. I have tried to use one app and had disastrous results with both Pre-m and Dimension. So now I hold to the method of split apps. Don't get me wrong there are guys out there who use one app of the .25 AI product and say they get the control they are looking for. I use the .10 AI product 2X and it works for me.

Besides the customers think they are getting a better service when I tell them I do two pre-emergent applications. It only costs a few pennies per more 1,000 sq ft to do the second app. versus a straight fert. And the money that I saved in Acclaim Extra and the labor to apply the post emergent crabgrass more than makes up for the few extra pennies I put into the 2nd round of dimension.

But I guess that is a long post to say that in my experience 2 applications work for me and it gives me a little more of a selling point in a lot of situaitons.

Since I don't use dimension, but I was under the opion you got a lot longer control with that product. In fact, my opion was, one app, if properly applied, would give season long control. I guess I need to look up recommendations from va tech, and I will