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CNYScapes
03-11-2005, 09:39 AM
Whats up? Anybody else up here in the lake effect snow capital of the world?
I know I cant wait for it to melt so we can get back to work!!!

Ford2000
03-11-2005, 11:25 AM
Rochester NY

Old Red
03-11-2005, 12:47 PM
I'm a little south of you but still catching plenty of snow. We were supposed to get scattered flurries this morning until the wind shifts the snow north. Hasn't stopped yet.

CNYScapes
03-13-2005, 03:58 PM
With all the competition in my area,I cant believe there isnt more lco's from my area on here. Then again i dont want them to have access to all this good info anyways. Guess I'll keep quiet.

utterway landscaper
03-16-2005, 05:47 PM
im located in the catskills just had temps above freezing for the first time in a month remember in like a lion out like a lamb

LWNMWR1
03-19-2005, 05:42 PM
if i were you all i would be a fulltime snow maintenance company and skip working in the summer!!

cbelawn
03-19-2005, 06:22 PM
Love the money from snow but time to get warm, i will not be complaining when the sweat is running this summer......as far a lco's in cny, i think most just bought mowers and don't have a clue whats going on. I have spent today painting my new trailer. Peace

YGWBill
03-25-2005, 06:57 PM
from Ithaca NY just waiting for snow to melt

Cooper725
11-01-2005, 09:54 AM
Potsdam here, and it is wierd that there arent more LCO's on here from up here lol. Just with in 30 miles of me there are 12 different LCO's. Guess this is the best kept secret of the net.

greenpastureslc
11-01-2005, 04:26 PM
Potsdam here, and it is wierd that there arent more LCO's on here from up here lol. Just with in 30 miles of me there are 12 different LCO's. Guess this is the best kept secret of the net.

That just means more money for us. I think there are more than that though most don't advertise. I've seen at least 10 just in Gouverneur not including the outskirts.


BTW whats your business name, I'll keep a look out for your trucks. Mine is my screen name.

greenpastureslc
11-01-2005, 04:30 PM
Also a guy I know from Massena says it seems like everybody and his brother are doing lawn care around there.

And you better make that at least 13 in Potsdam because I work the entire county.

Cooper725
11-02-2005, 02:29 AM
C&C Lawn care is the name of my company, were a small operation, I have only two full time employees and one part time. First summer working with my own outfit, I used to workf or Witherheads out of Canton. We were only doing 26 residential sites and 8 commercial. But looking to expand to at least 60 residental and 40 commercial next summer. When I was with Witherheads we were doing about 350 sites a week. Did as many as 50 some odd lawns one day with a three man crew...crazy. So decided this spring to brake out on my own. Loving every minute of it lol. So how many sites you running with and what type of equipment you using? Is this weather a ***** or what lol.

greenpastureslc
11-02-2005, 04:36 AM
Only half of what you got and none of its commercial. With my 60 + hours a week at a warehouse in the Burg it all I have time for. You know I think I remember your ad in the pennysaver, maybe it was yours. Said something about first mowing free, call for details. I tried copying that in the Gouvernuer paper but with little result, although one call from that ad resulted in an entire camp road in Trout Lake.

My equip. isnt top but it gets the job done, I got a MTD 42" 18hp I/C BS- a 26" 6.5hp Murray push and Echo Trimmer. I want to park the rider next year and get a Quick 36.

What other types of advertising have you done. If I were to get the accounts I would give up the warehouse in a snap. Never really got to serious with advertising because 1) didnt really know what would work 2) Have a fulltime job so the matter wasnt really pressing on me. Although now I'm fed up enough to go do my own thing and get away from there.

Next Year I plan on an ad in each of the main papers in the county. Also I plan on a flyer campaign in all the seasonal camps and cottages within St Lawrence and Northern Lewis County. Yea its gonna take a while but I'll just have to start early.

Your right this weather sucks. Wish it would stop raining enough to get some leaves done before it snows. Syracuse already had their first suprised we didnt get any.

Ford2000
11-02-2005, 05:22 AM
C.C.Landscape,Rochester ny

Cooper725
11-02-2005, 12:55 PM
I picked up a 54 inch 22 hp Simplicity Conquest in may, used that for most of the summer with an old 44 inch 16 hp craftsman, I use 2 fs 100 rx stihl trimmers, A 205 mph sears (LOL) Blower pack. For my hedge trimming I use a monster 30" inch 25.4 cc stihl HS 80 hedge trimmer. I use two different trailers for transport, for small jobs I use a nordic 8x6 utility trailer. Jobs which require all my equipment I bought a 16x8 low boy trailer. Ohh ya got a dinky sears push mower I got at an lawn sale for 30 bucks lol. Ypu can tell I use that alot lol. Used just that equipment for most of the summer till about 6 weeks ago. Had such a good summer that I went out and treated myself to a 61 inch 27hp 1000Z Ferris zero turn. That thing rocks, its like cutting grass while sitting in a lazy boy lol.

I work about 40 hrs a week between a resturant, and a night club . Been a Cook for about 14 years now and looking to retire in may 06 to be a full time LCO, Besides the paper I got most of my accounts this spring by going to all the local realtors and talking with them. One realtor got me 16 contracts for the summer. The rest I got by people just walking next door from where we were working and askin us to mow there lawns lol. I have most of the contracts for the sororitys from Potsdam state and Clarkson too. So i was pretty lucky for my first year to get as many as I have.

Cooper725
11-02-2005, 12:58 PM
Hey Ford, where did you get your name from anyway?

greenpastureslc
11-02-2005, 03:42 PM
All I did was the paper. I'll still use that next year along with the flyer campain, but the realtor market sounds like another good route.

I've been averaging $25 to $50 per 1/4 acre. If you don't mind me asking what do you usually get. I did a lawn this year in Massena for a $100 per cut took just under 2 hrs for 1/2 acre. Picked up another lawn at the end of the year in Gouvernuer same size lawn but done in under an hour for $40. If I can get more i definately want to because with the first guy I know I wasn't the only bidder and he seemed to not hesitate about paying that much.

Ford2000
11-02-2005, 06:03 PM
C.C.Chuck C.

Cooper725
11-02-2005, 09:57 PM
Well it actually depends on the lawn size, Distance from site to site and amount of trimming needed to be done . I have residential sites that ranged from $30 - $45 a cut, and my commercial that went from $75-$90. The way I have been running things is all about speed. The faster I can get the lawn done the better. When I first started out I was doing 6 lawns a day. Then I figured out it was a lot cheaper to mow 20 lawns in one day and 14 on the next, (Winshield time costs big $$$$) and instead of having my trimming crew ride along with the mowers I had them start the day 2 hours later and we would be at least 4 sites ahead of them till the last site. I saved the sites with the most mowing and less trimming till the end. That way we finished the day at about the same time while saving me some $$$ on pay. I just wish I would have started in may and not in the middle of june. Summer would have been a lot better lol. Did you get insured yet? I just got my insurance all squared away and it has opened a lot more doors. I feel up here that the more commercial propertys you get the better. I had one commercial property that I got $90 everytime I stepped foot on the property and we could get it done in 30 mins. So my cost is about 3 guys at $8.00 an hour = $24.00 and gas about $6.00, so its about a $60 profit for 30 mins of work. Cant beat that. All I need now is about 40 of those a week and I will be crusing. LOL well maybe in a perfect world lol.

With my simplicity, at 6mp (optimal speed in my book) in an hour I can do about 2 acres. With the ztr at 7mp I can do just about 4.5 acres.

Cooper725
11-05-2005, 08:46 PM
Hey Green, you should get a hold of me next summer, I might be able to hook you up with some overflow here in Potsdam. If your interested give me a holler.

greenpastureslc
11-06-2005, 08:36 AM
Hey Green, you should get a hold of me next summer, I might be able to hook you up with some overflow here in Potsdam. If your interested give me a holler.

I'll take it. Email me your info. My email is greenpastures@twcny.rr.com

greenpastureslc
11-06-2005, 08:51 AM
I feel up here that the more commercial propertys you get the better.


You dont worry about getting under bid? Or do you feel there are not enough insured LCO's to worry about being under bid on those. Not being insured would definately close alot of doors, but not all commercial is going ask for insurance as long as they know the guy doing the mowing. I got the Hershey Warehouse in Gouvernuer this way. My brother in-law is manager at North Country Rent to Own. His boss is property manager for Hersheys in Gouvernuer. My brother in-law put in a word for me and the property was mine.

I would love to go almost exclusively commercial, but from what I've read on here and the other lawn forum it's not good to put all or most of your eggs in one basket, especially when that basket will drop you for the next lowest bid.

cbelawn
11-06-2005, 06:32 PM
syracuse here

Cooper725
11-18-2005, 09:52 PM
I agree you shouldnt go compleatly one way or the other but commercial propertys are sooo ez lol. If i have just 30% of my total accounts as commercial I am happy. I just love those wide open lawns with now trees or hedge rows, etc etc. Just zone out for an hour listening to toons while making $$$ is my ideal day lol. Hello cbelawn, welcome to the thread.

Remsen1
11-29-2005, 04:58 PM
Utica area here.

seasonallandscape
12-06-2005, 08:58 PM
rochester ny here can't wait to push some snow

Cooper725
12-07-2005, 02:29 AM
We dont do snow, thinking about it next year, not shure if its all that cost effective.

Ford2000
12-07-2005, 06:15 AM
Snowplowing is big for us it brings in a little more money than summer months.
You don't offer a year round service?Who plows your customers? Hope it's someone you can trust:rolleyes:

allinearth
12-07-2005, 07:26 AM
I used to live in Pulaski as a kid. Man, talk about snow! Wish I could come back and visit some day. Maybe do some salmon fishing. Where I am now in Arkansas 1" of snow shuts everything down. I just laugh.

Cooper725
12-07-2005, 01:33 PM
No we dont offer year round service....yet. This was our first summer in operation. Next year I might get into plowing but not this year. If I do I wouldnt do more than 20 sites a winter. The company I worked for last summer had over 250 plow sites and the owner and I used to talk about plowing and if it was worth it. My old boss said that as long as your equipment was running good then it was good money. But when one or more of your trucks blows a tranny or a headgasket then it gets a little hairy. They have reduced there number of plow sites to about 90 this year and he plans on lowering the number even farther next winter. He even turned down some pretty good mowing contracts because it involved plowing too. So I will see, also we dont get the snow like we used to up here. It gets real cold but we dont have the snowfall like you guys do down there.

seasonallandscape
12-09-2005, 11:07 AM
any one here from rochester ny

jmurphy
12-09-2005, 12:13 PM
Im in utica
:)

seasonallandscape
12-11-2005, 01:39 AM
ford2000 where in rochester are u out of and what is your company name

Ford2000
12-11-2005, 05:53 AM
C.C.Landscape - Out of Chili. I think i met you the other day looking at that truck on chili Ave??

seasonallandscape
12-13-2005, 09:55 PM
ya i did with my buddy. so far so good with the snow

Ford2000
12-14-2005, 06:01 AM
seasonal,What do you do in the winter besides wait for snow?

DixieFerris
12-14-2005, 02:03 PM
Saratoga Springs, NY for us, 2 person crew this year, and everything is doubling for next year

greenpastureslc
12-15-2005, 02:19 AM
Cooper, just curious, whats the average price for for a residential drive in this area? I've been thinking of snow for next year, don't have the equipment for it this year.

Tj44
03-22-2006, 07:52 AM
I have a lawn maintenance business for sale in Upstate NY and here is a breakdown:
ACTUAL 2005

COMMERCIAL LAWN MAINTENANCE ACCOUNTS
• (6) Commercial Customers
• 496,000(+) sf/ 11.6+acres all mowed turf
• Sales: $ 52,000.00
• Labor Cost: $ 20,652.00
• Material Cost: $ 1,350
• Gross Profit: $ 29,998.00

RESIDENTIAL LAWN MAINTENANCE ACCOUNTS
• (22) Residential Customers
• 265,800 sf/6.23acres of mowed turf and full lawn maintenance services
• Sales: $ 51,800.00
• Labor Cost: $ 19,725.00
• Material Cost: $ 3,050.00
• Gross Profit: $ 29,025.00

GRAND TOTAL LAWN MAINTENANCE PACKAGE
• Sales:$ 103,800.00
• Labor Cost: $ 40,404.00
• Material Cost: $ 4,400.00
• Gross Profit: $ 58,996.00

Anyone got any idea what I might be able to get for this. I'm asking around the $100,000. There is equipment available and that totals about $10,000. I would like to offer a package deal. Most if not all these contracts will be signed prior to selling. 2006 is looking like the same breakdown.

Tom:walking:



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bigkyle
03-22-2006, 08:56 AM
im from rochester ny

seasonallandscape
03-22-2006, 07:06 PM
where in ny are you out of. i am out of rochester ny. if you are close to that give me a call. 585 3039267

Brendan Smith
03-24-2006, 12:12 PM
i'm originally from newburgh/central valley area, but that was almost 30 years ago. last time i went to visit family there (last nov), and i can't believe the changes. across the street from my old house where there was a beautiful meadow is now a gigantic outlet mall. :(

ODwyerPW
04-04-2006, 12:54 AM
Albany New York area. Serving Albany and Rensselaer Counties. (pulled out of Schenectady County this year).

Considering selling out at the end of this season. At the very least, will downsize completely. Don't enjoy being big anymore.

mowclt
04-09-2006, 05:36 PM
Whats the competition/demand for service like in Utica/Rome? Can someone make a living mowing and plowing there full time?

elmo1537
04-09-2006, 05:55 PM
Ithaca here

mowclt
04-26-2006, 11:30 AM
Whats the competition/demand for service like in Utica/Rome? Can someone make a living mowing and plowing there full time?


...Anyone?

Remsen1
04-27-2006, 08:10 AM
Utica/Rome - The economy is depressed. Not many want to spend any money. The competition is high vs. the number of desireable properties. Gas is hovering at around $3.09 and sales tax in our lovely county is 9.75% (due to our abnormally high senior citizen population on medicaid, and a certain ethnic group taking up residence in our county taking advantage of Medicaid).

Fortunately I have been able to keep as busy as I want to be. Unfortunately for somebody starting out here, my business is not new business, it is 99% from existing clients.

Staffordnurseries
04-29-2006, 08:00 AM
I have a tree farm that I want to expand into a commercial nursery over the next few years. I work full time, but the wonderful new york economy will end my job in a few years (factory going to mexico). Right now I have around 7000 spruce and firs growing for christmas trees, have a tree planter and tree spade. What plants do you have a demand for in western ny?

djsp24
10-09-2006, 12:36 PM
Starting a new LCO in the Rochester NY area spring of 2007! Was just wondering how much lawns are going for on the westside of town, can anyone give me a generic break down of what they are charging so I can base my pricing accordingly and not low ball anyone else please?? I was thinking of setting my minimum at $30.00 and then going up from there, is that reasonable? Any feedback would be great! AND if you have any west side jobs that are just to far out for you, send them my way!!

Dstosh
10-14-2006, 05:37 PM
I have a tree farm that I want to expand into a commercial nursery over the next few years. I work full time, but the wonderful new york economy will end my job in a few years (factory going to mexico). Right now I have around 7000 spruce and firs growing for christmas trees, have a tree planter and tree spade. What plants do you have a demand for in western ny?

Where in Wny are you?

Marcos
10-29-2007, 02:01 AM
Hey! Loser Bills fans!
We're coming up there to kick some 'A' next week, 'cause Pittsburgh's got us P.O. ed!
:cool2:

.....And what's the deal with this lame New York thread?
Don't you folks keep in 'local' contact, for trading leads, subbing out, etc?

Ford2000
10-29-2007, 06:20 AM
I had to lower my rates to keep a customer that we,ve had since early 90,s thanks to you.

I know a few of your customers and i would not bid them knowing that they are your accounts

I did not check my other customers in that area yet.

Raise your prices

Hiwire
11-15-2007, 08:04 AM
I know this is an older thread but figured Id just keep it going. Im in Syracuse. Rain day today, the first in a long time but back at it tomorrow. We have a bunch of jobs to still get done before winter as well as putting equipment and stock to bed for the winter.
Ray

flakebortch
11-23-2007, 01:54 AM
High Falls here. South of Kingston, NW of New Paltz.

Bruce's Lawn Service
03-27-2008, 03:21 PM
any one here from rochester ny

Bruce' Lawn Service east side Brighton/ Pittsford area.:waving:

deyoe1118
03-28-2008, 04:38 PM
Clarksville, NY here...
Albany and Schenectady areas...

PearceLawn
03-29-2008, 08:50 PM
11 years mowing and plowing in Rochester. I work in Irondequoit, Webster and Penfield. Hello to all.

Ford 2000, I believe I know your dad from way back when. Just to verify you are who I think you are, you used to have a Doberman named Shane. If not, my mistake.

Ford2000
03-30-2008, 04:47 AM
yes you are right,who is this?:waving:

PearceLawn
03-30-2008, 07:43 AM
yes you are right,who is this?:waving:

Sent you a p.m. Had to use some names that I was not sure should be on here. Non members.

tankjam
04-05-2008, 02:49 PM
anyone on here from oneida , rome , utica , syracuse ny???

dandmservices
04-10-2008, 10:19 AM
New here and looking for accounts in wny apprx 50 miles S.West of Rochester.Will take any overflow,extras,wont do,cant do,to far.anything to get us started would be appreciated.Thanks in advanced.
www.dandmservices.net
It aint done yet but Im workin on it.

FTGUprprtyMaint
04-16-2008, 08:43 PM
rochester here