I'm not trying to make the elders think i'm stupid or anything else either. I learn quick. I'm trying to learn about this subject to gain experience in the field. All I know is that both of the ways I compost work with no problems. Thermophilic compost ready in 21 days. Vermicompost takes longer but more potent. I just want to know the best ingredients and where to get them. Maybe starbucks?