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Old 06-06-2009, 09:30 AM
NattyLawn NattyLawn is offline
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Originally Posted by WannaBeOrganic View Post
I never said anything about "going green". All I want is to have a nice looking lawn without using potentially dangerous products. If I wanted something sustainable I'd let the clover take over the lawn and get sheep to keep whatever lawn is left trimmed. But I probably wouldn't have too much room for a lawn with all the food and cotton I'd need to grow. Thank God none of my neighbors compost so I can use their leaves and clippings because I don't produce enough waste material to handle my new needs.

I've run across plenty of pictures of lawns by people that only use organic fertilizers that look great. I've seen people talk about only using compost but never post what their lawns look like.

How about providing some insight and answering the question of how much compost per 1,000 sq ft it takes for a typical cool season clay lawn to maintain it at a level where it doesn't look out of place next to other homes where the lawns are regularly fertilized? Not familiar with that climate? What about some area you are familiar with? What would it take to raise the OM content up 5% over how much time? How much would it take to maintain that level once it gets there? Some sort of rough guidelines? Don't worry, I'm not expecting an answer.

You can be off topic all you want but if you don't want to come across like a pompous blowhard, or a ranting fool, then you might want to try and contribute something to the conversation. I guess you haven't let go of that grade school "nananana I know something you don't" mentality yet?

So you don't sell compost. Sounds more like you're an acedemic. Maybe a professor. Undergrad and some grad studies in Europe and then followed up with your doctoral work here. Maybe you consult with some projects and have seen good results in areas where you can sponsor a child for less than

the price of a cup of coffee a day, but when you meet with farmers and urban planners here they like your ideas but only ever consider implementing a fraction of what you recommend.

So you come here and take your frustrations out on a bunch of people that primarily make their living by providing lawn care services and belittle them with comments like "fert and squirt guys" because they're trying to learn how to adapt to organic lawn care and get their clients to convert.

They can't transition clients to a service that will make their lawns look worse than they did before. Most people won't stick around for that. The clients would cancel their contracts and these guys would lose revenue which is kinda important to people that don't get stipends or grant money. So they try and learn from others and share what they have learned and avoid the snake oil salesmen that jumped into this area. Even a lot of the research doesn't agree.

Maybe you think you're being pithy but you're just being glib.

You come across as an idealogue. In practice, you can't go from one extreme to the other and expect to maintain profitability and results. If you know a way to do it, I'm sure people here would love to hear it. You're not in the business so you don't seem to have a balanced view and it looks like some people are getting tired of it.
Judging by some of your comments, you're not some random homeowner popping in here looking for advice. Thanks for the opinions though, but there's a homeowner forum at the bottom of the page. You can go there to seek advice. Looks like a "fert and squirt" guy got smart and created another account to come over here and try and stir some things up. Nice. Here's the funny thing about you guys, you can't learn or change unless things are boxed up in a nice little program for you. "How many steps do I need? How do I sell this to a customer?" Instead of seeking easy answers why not do some research and learn on your own? How about some experimenting with products in your climate and soil type?

Is compost an easy answer for all of us? No. Quality compost is not available for everyone. I'm sure Kiril would not agree that the fertilizer I use is not sustainable, but gives kick ass results with less inputs. It contains soluble seaweed, soluble humate, azomite, soy, alfalfa meal, bone meal, blood meal, meat meal, feather meal, corn solubles and 4 other ingredients I can't rattle off off the top of my head. Hardly sustainable in Kiril's eyes, but that's one of the cool things about this forum. No one's doing the same the exact same thing as the next guy.

So, who knows if the Organica program works for you. Did you say where you live (probably Ohio ) or your soil type? Have you done a soil test? 2 corn gluten and soil conditioner apps may work for you, but I have not used their products. Seems more geared to homeowners and a little pricey. You can probably mix some seaweed, humate and molasses for much cheaper and with better results. And I wouldn't put down to CG apps if you plan on seeding. So there's a bunch of variables there.
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