Dan - I agree with your point. In fact, as I previously stated, I offer my clients a choice of organic or synthetic, chemical or whatever-you-may-want-to-call-it fertilizer. I let them decide. My beef is with folks that are selling organics as an environmental alternative, when in fact, they contaminate the water from runoff as much as regular fertilizers. I always inform my clients that I support IPM practices, but in the end, it is their decision what to use on their property. In fact, in Michigan, it is against the law to tell clients "this is safe" or "this doesn't harm such and such". And, I do agree, it is absurd where this thread has headed. I'm just trying to pass on to folks what I have learned through years of ongoing scientific research. Maybe I'll be queit and let folks learn on their own.