Originally Posted by fakie99
...it's the off page stuff (link building, etc) that really does the trick. i have seen sites rank #1 for the terms i am targeting, and they only have a very simple flash intro page with little to no keyword text and their company name as their title tag!
there's less of that now, after Penguin.
but Penguin hurt a lot of legit sites, too. a couple of mine, for instance