Haven't bid on commercial in years. And i typically walk away from most residential customers if they seem to be price shopping. I value my time to much to leave money on the table to get work. Ya KC you got it right, Anyone see the ads on craigslist looking for plow subs? paying $40-60 a hour. Really how do you make money at that if you are a sub? From what i see most of the wannabes or their customers have figured out this isn't for them. I never had so many calls in November from people saying their lawn guy doesn't do leafs. Next year is starting to look like its going to be a interesting year not sure yet if its good or bad.