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Old 12-27-2012, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TPendagast View Post
I want to work 7a-6p 4 days a week.
I want 3 months off a year.
I want a company truck and cell.
I want company uniforms so I don't have to tear up my own clothes.
I want very basic health care (nothing fancy)

I want to make enough money to support my family.

This is around $48,000 per year. ( I would require more, if I was management or had more stress to deal with)

I have been in the industry 22 years. I have more experience than anyone I have met who doesn't own a business or in the upper management of the top 14 landscape companies in America.

I am willing to work with a crew actually DOING the work, on site.
I can sell, estimate, design and communicate with the client.

I also CANNOT get hired by ANYONE, which constantly forces me to work for myself.

Landscape companies can't hire good employees because they can't or won't pay a living wage.
They want to pay crew leaders (decent ones) 18,000 to 25,000 per year.
A decent job at mcdonalds (after a 3 year tenure) pays better than this.
Every year you force your own competition to build, because the guys that are smart, the ones that can do what you want them to do, go into business for themselves. And they don't know anymore about actual business than most OTHER landscapers out there.
Hire good guys, pay good. Keep your prices high and don't encourage lowballs in your market because you low ball your pay rates.

If you can't afford $48-$55k per year on a decent hand (lead man) than you might as well be a mom and pop shop and do it yourself, or close shop. IMO.
I agree with you on about 95%. Your $48-$55K would be $30-$36K in my area for a good seasoned lead guy. $18-$25K for a good laborer.
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