Originally Posted by TPendagast
I want to work 7a-6p 4 days a week.
I want 3 months off a year.
I want a company truck and cell.
I want company uniforms so I don't have to tear up my own clothes.
I want very basic health care (nothing fancy)
I want to make enough money to support my family.
This is around $48,000 per year. ( I would require more, if I was management or had more stress to deal with)
I have been in the industry 22 years. I have more experience than anyone I have met who doesn't own a business or in the upper management of the top 14 landscape companies in America.
I am willing to work with a crew actually DOING the work, on site.
I can sell, estimate, design and communicate with the client.
I also CANNOT get hired by ANYONE, which constantly forces me to work for myself.
Landscape companies can't hire good employees because they can't or won't pay a living wage.
They want to pay crew leaders (decent ones) 18,000 to 25,000 per year.
A decent job at mcdonalds (after a 3 year tenure) pays better than this.
Every year you force your own competition to build, because the guys that are smart, the ones that can do what you want them to do, go into business for themselves. And they don't know anymore about actual business than most OTHER landscapers out there.
Hire good guys, pay good. Keep your prices high and don't encourage lowballs in your market because you low ball your pay rates.
If you can't afford $48-$55k per year on a decent hand (lead man) than you might as well be a mom and pop shop and do it yourself, or close shop. IMO.
Here's the deal. You WANT a lot.
You want to work 57% of a week.
You want to work 75% of the year.
You want 177% of the ave income ($27k).
You want 92% of the ave household income (52k).
What you want is $30/hr plus some benis. It costs closed to $35/hr with tax/work comp no benis.
You want a employer to do this up front without seeing you work.
Then you want to collect ui for 3 months which we also pay for indirectly.
Basically what I hear is I'm hiring you for the privilage of paying you my wage cost and most of the profit so I can have a chance of making money off of the crew I pay you to lead. You must be a superduper employee at that rate.
Looking at those numbers I can see how it is hard for you to find a job.
I can see maybe 10 to 15 lco company's in mn that may pay that way for employee's that have been with them for a long period of time. Most $30 to $35k max.
FYI, I not saying your not worth that but what the market will pay. Also the term "liveable wage" is very much decided on your decisions in life and nothing a employer can do about it. The "american dream" of owning a house and cars has changed to a entitlement in most americans mind. Unfortnately that entitlement mentality makes the dream even harder.
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