old 89 would be fine with me. I just don't want to buy a truck for 25k and then shortly put 10k into it and still have a 25k worth truck. Id rather spend 45. Of course theres still the risk of something going bad on a 45k truck too because its by no means new. That's what Ive been looking for is the 20-44 or 46 combo with or without a lift. As long as it can haul 20t I would like a basic tandem. Since you are in upstate too, can you tell me what your insurance is on your tri?