Originally Posted by Smallaxe
Of course it is true...
Therefore,,, Adding More Humates may very well be totally unnecessary and redundant,,, due to current SOM...
Yet there are soils that it can help out,,, so it would be wise to see the difference and recognize when "Buying" more humus is a good idea and when it is a waste...
Most commerical humates sold are leonardite, or soft coal. I agree, applying raw leonardite to soils that don't need it isn't a good thing. The humates I mostly dealt with were made soluble through processes that are proprietary (and I don't know nearly enough to explain them). Now, water soluble humates added to organic granular fertilizer produced a deep dark green that rivaled the chemical counterparts. I think the article in Turf mentioned that Lebanon is now producing fert with soluble humate. It works. Humic acid liquid products work very well on golf greens and tree applications in very small amounts.
Shifting back to raw leonardite, one area I disagree with is you stated "Humus is humus is humus". That isn't true. Would I rather apply a product that has been aged for 50-100 years conservatively, or apply compost that you made in your back yard that has been doing it's thing for a few months? I would pick the leonardite on a paying customers yard. Why? Your compost is not a stable form of humus. Most of the humus would be gone before that material breaks down in the soil. Would I rather do 1 app of leaonardite that I can apply with a spreader, or 4 apps of spreading compost 1-2" thick? Which is more bang for the buck for the customer?
You tend to attack things you haven't used before. I think your opinions would carry more weight if you actually bit the bullet and tried some of the products you bash. Unlike you, I've used them. Maybe phasthound can send you some samples that you really don't deserve. Or maybe you can shell out some cash for a compost tea brewer. Oh wait, we don't know the soils in Wisconsin. Leaonardite and compost tea won't work with your clay!!! If that's the case, why do you give advice for people in other areas with different soils?