well i had a tree guy come out and look at the two trees and the verdict is that the one is two far gone and something to do with the roots wrapping up at the bottom of the tree along with the borer but he also said that the extremely harsh winter we had in the NW burbs of Chicago damaged a lot of the root systems in the area. however the in the fall he is going to return to treat the other tree with the soil drench of the systemic insecticide
Ill post pics of the roots later when i get the chance.
thanks for the help fellas
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