I've been putting ALOT on paper lately....trying to be realistic. I've even gone to a 4 day week just for rain days, catch ups and maybe some installs or estimates. I've done numbers on some overhead. I even went alittle over looking forward to some growth. Looking to push 12 month contracts to help form a baseline income. I worked as a lawn spray tech for three years so I understand the importance of a tight route. I've also come up with a baseline number for hourly operating cost. The biggest problem I have with estimating is time when I have help on site. I look at something and say "well I can can do that in x hrs." well thats not always the case with hourly help...lol. well I've gota go plug some more numbers and call a few more thanks for the help.