cvln you posted that you can dowload patterns from manufacturers? will this work with a program like visio 5.0? how do i go about that? i should have bought an expensive program to begin with, but couldn't and i have sold jobs with the cheap stuff so it worked out. i bought ep henry software and you can't make a 2d plan with it, you can only take a picture of the house then import it in. it sounds good but pictures from far away enough to show a whole driveway tend to look to small with a basic digital camera.