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Old 01-30-2006, 11:08 AM
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For the justmowit style companies

For the Justmowit style companies (DFW, PTP, whoever else) have you guys ever considered using mowers like the quick 36 or the 33" billy goat mower? I looked at a billy goat last year and I think it was 1800? Somewhere around there. A commercial 21" is how much 800?

Have you considered using the little bit larger mowers for more effeciency? Whats keeping you back from using them?
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Old 01-30-2006, 04:43 PM
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I am selling my Ferris 32 Hydro.

Large mowers just aren't working out for me. They just weigh too much and they're too powerful.

In a nutshell:

With heavier mowers, you end up with more complaints because of ruts, which are actually just crushed stems that won't stand back up.

You can do a lot more damage with a large walk behind mower than you can with a 21" mower, especially to gas meters and gates.

A 32" Ferris Hydro costs $2300. The mulching blades are another $150. The foam front tires that won't ever go flat are $100. You also have to put green slime in the back tires. All told, you are close to $2,600 for a single mower. A 21" Honda has everything you need for $999. I assume both will last about the same amount of time if used equally. I'd rather have to replace a $999 mower than $2,600 mower.

I am not convinced the larger mower saved any time because flipping a U turn at the end of the stripe can't be done nearly as fast as it can with a 21".

Lastly, a guy is far more likely to come down with a back injury working with a 32" walk behind mower than with a 21". Getting over curbs and things like that, combined with inexperience, can easily result in a guy doing some improper lifting. That is what I did and I had back surgery a little over a year ago. Not saying that caused it, but it probably didn't help matters any.

If you are running heavier walk behinds, suddenly replacing a worker is a much bigger ordeal than it is if you are running 21" mowers.

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Old 01-30-2006, 05:02 PM
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I think there are benifets to both kinds of mowers: W/B's cover more area in a shorter amount of time. IMO they leave a more professional finish (if ya know how to use them). More durable than any 21"er. Pro's of a 21"er- less $$$, easier to use and thats about all I can think of. But whatever gets the job done I guess.
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Old 01-30-2006, 05:47 PM
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Larger mowers take more expertise, the wider the deck, the more you really have to know what you are doing, even more so if your deck is at least a 4-foot wide, fixed deck.

On the other hand, I love the power and speed of the 48" fixed deck... The 6-7 mph speed on the straights is aiiiight, but in the turns it will lean on two wheels (and I would guess even flip) if I'm not careful - You just have to watch it, slow down a little into the turns just like racing, you don't go from the straight-away into the turn at full speed, either. For this you need experience because if I hit anything at that speed I am are done for the day, if it doesn't land me in the hospital.

But that's with the '05, none of my older machines do this, and I learned large deck operation with older machines first, because you hit an obstacle with the '05, and it's all over but for the crying. In a season's use, I hardly got a scratch on the '05, while the older machines are considerably more beat up from my going through the learning curve. I started with 8-year old 52" floating decks incapable of moving much faster than 3-4 mph, even then I was outrunning homeowners but 6-7 mph took time learning, before I got into that kind of speed I upgraded to a 5-year old model capable of 4-5 mph which also had a fixed deck (this involves a considerable learning curve, I would not attempt a fixed deck without the benefit of experience gained from using a float, first).

This is one reason I keep telling guys to buy a Used Wb, but do they listen? Well, some do... The older machines are slower and far less power is gained from them, this stuff really isn't as easy as it looks. I'm closing in on 3 thousand yards at a rate of 700 yards / year, you really need at least a thousand yards under your belt before I would even consider letting you use my '05 proline, and I'd prefer 2 thousand... If an employee has less than that in experience (and even if they claim to or actually have the experience) they will be using the 8-year old '98 model until I feel they can handle my prized possession. If you have enough machines, you pick and chose who uses what, and only you use the best mower, that is your machine and everyone understands: No sir you don't use that, that is the owner's mower (and of course it's the shiniest toughest looking one makes everyone cream their pants in anticipation of the day when you might lose your mind and let someone else actually run it lol).

That's how it works, upgrade and update... Don't buy the latest and greatest when you can not use it anyway. If you were to get into racing, would you buy the latest F-1 McLaren or would you settle for a bit of a beater, knowing you won't get first place but also knowing you'll at least finish the race alive.

Some possibly take my signature a step too far, profit is not just how much money I earn today and by the hour, it is how much money I turn when compared to expenses, and in that sense if I have little to no experience doing something, less initial expense means greater profits in the end as I learn with beaters before I spend the big bucks to buy the ultimate yard machine.

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Old 03-11-2014, 01:47 AM
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I am selling my Ferris 32 Hydro.

Large mowers just aren't working out for me. They just weigh too much and they're too powerful.

In a nutshell:

With heavier mowers, you end up with more complaints because of ruts, which are actually just crushed stems that won't stand back up.

You can do a lot more damage with a large walk behind mower than you can with a 21" mower, especially to gas meters and gates.

A 32" Ferris Hydro costs $2300. The mulching blades are another $150. The foam front tires that won't ever go flat are $100. You also have to put green slime in the back tires. All told, you are close to $2,600 for a single mower. A 21" Honda has everything you need for $999. I assume both will last about the same amount of time if used equally. I'd rather have to replace a $999 mower than $2,600 mower.

I am not convinced the larger mower saved any time because flipping a U turn at the end of the stripe can't be done nearly as fast as it can with a 21".

Lastly, a guy is far more likely to come down with a back injury working with a 32" walk behind mower than with a 21". Getting over curbs and things like that, combined with inexperience, can easily result in a guy doing some improper lifting. That is what I did and I had back surgery a little over a year ago. Not saying that caused it, but it probably didn't help matters any.

If you are running heavier walk behinds, suddenly replacing a worker is a much bigger ordeal than it is if you are running 21" mowers.

Later,
DFW Area Landscaper
Are you serious? Man we only use large mowers 2- 52" Toro GS's 1- exmark 32" 1- exmark 48" go big- make $$$ we use the 21" for pools and tiny strips, about 3x per day
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:19 AM
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Are you serious? Man we only use large mowers 2- 52" Toro GS's 1- exmark 32" 1- exmark 48" go big- make $$$ we use the 21" for pools and tiny strips, about 3x per day
Yes, he is serious. It depends on the property type. I mostly use 21's and they work great. But all my lawns are smaller and "postage stamp" where as yours may not be. Would I mow 3/4 acre with 21's? Heck no.


I doubt justmowit is sitting back laughing. Although I thought his story and his plan were great, I just don't see it working. I hope he can comment on this. Hard to believe no one talks to him?
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:46 AM
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More than likely....he and his father are sitting back laughing at this thread. He left the site in 2006 ish because he let the cat out of the bad as to how to run a business with systems that could be duplicated time and time again. He was netting about 300k(NET) that was split with his partner(dad). We can all ***** and moan how big a mower he should use, or this or that.....whatever! The point is he did it, and there were a few companies that copied him like DFW and made it work as well. Last I knew he had about 2500 lawns just in Texas, and I know he expanded into other states. His net was only going to increase as he grew,at some point its time to cash in the chips and reap the rewards that he worked so hard to achieve. Id bet bank he and his dad are multi-millionaires for this 10 yr road trip they created. Even if it blew up in the end,it was a ride that most of us will only dream of. Whatever business plan they have or had are difficult at best to keep long term with the way the gov. has their hands in everything, and changing things up on us!
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:57 AM
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More than likely....he and his father are sitting back laughing at this thread. He left the site in 2006 ish because he let the cat out of the bad as to how to run a business with systems that could be duplicated time and time again. He was netting about 300k(NET) that was split with his partner(dad). We can all ***** and moan how big a mower he should use, or this or that.....whatever! The point is he did it, and there were a few companies that copied him like DFW and made it work as well. Last I knew he had about 2500 lawns just in Texas, and I know he expanded into other states. His net was only going to increase as he grew,at some point its time to cash in the chips and reap the rewards that he worked so hard to achieve. Id bet bank he and his dad are multi-millionaires for this 10 yr road trip they created. Even if it blew up in the end,it was a ride that most of us will only dream of. Whatever business plan they have or had are difficult at best to keep long term with the way the gov. has their hands in everything, and changing things up on us!
You must have seen his bank statements. Key word in your post "did". Now it appears he no longer does. All that gear cost more than he probably made. The old saying easy come easy go comes to mind. Downed websites and disconnected numbers don't sound very funny to me.
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Old 01-30-2006, 06:16 PM
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Thanks for the info DFW.

I was just thinking today about it and the billy goat was extremely easy to use for me, so I thought hmmm a cheapie 33" would have to be more effecient then a 21". I compaired that small mower instead of a 48" mower for the fact that your a high quantity bang em out service and a 48" mower would probably slow you down.
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Old 01-30-2006, 06:30 PM
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Personally I'd be looking into a 32" or 36" BELT DRIVE. They cost half of what a hydro does, weight about 300lbs less, and you'll still have the benefits of the w/b. I just can't see aguy or myself pushing a 21" lawn mower for 8-10 hours a day when it's 90+ degrees out side.
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