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Old 08-31-2006, 11:22 PM
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Under 20k Excavator Whats the Strongest

As the title says weight wise.
What is the strongest machine out there.
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Old 09-01-2006, 01:46 AM
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How do quantify strongest? The Komatsu PC95 is just under your weight limit so if weight follows function it would be in the running. The TK175 specs well as does the IHI NX80. Personally I look at bucket breakout and arm crowding force as strong indicators. Lift capacity also will give you an idea on stability. Some machines just feel stronger than others and it is difficult to say why sometimes. I also thought that the Deere mini excavators always felt weak to me. Very smooth but weak. That is probably personal opinion as they spec middle of the pack but to me they never "felt" that strong compared to others.
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Old 09-01-2006, 07:26 AM
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I have been reading all the specs and the list breakout and lifting specs.
Are the breakout specs accurate or they skewed like skid steer specs.

I am personally looking for a very strong machine that will be big enough enough too dig basements ,septic lines, dig stumps, load rolloffs etc.
The 6k to 7 k stuff is smaller than I want.
The 10 to 12 k stuff I have rented is stronger but they seem to be borderline for the jobs I do.

I guess a better description would be what excavator would serve the same tasks a 30 k excavator but smaller in areas that a 30 k cannot go.
And it is a plus for me being able too move a 15k machine were as if I purchased a 30 k machine it would have too be hired out too move.
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Old 09-01-2006, 08:32 AM
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Well they're all the same size, there is very little difference in performance between brands. About the only differecnes are the bucket breakout and crowd forces, that's about it. Digging a decent sized basement with a 7-8 ton machine would make me cringe, at least it would out here. Most of the basements we dig are on slopes so you need all the reach and lift height that a 12 ton excavator provides.
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Old 09-01-2006, 10:36 AM
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Yea I don't know that you can get all that from the same machine. Maybe a CX135 zero swing machine, but you'll have to have it hauled. I would look at the PC95. It is right in the middle a real big mini but you may be able to dig basements with it. If you don't sink your foundations in deep you would problably get by. 9' walls are the deal out here so everything goes in 7-8 feet usually. Thats a lot of material and requires a lot of reach. The 80 sized machines are nice and I have contimplated one. The CASE CX80, IHI 80NX and my favorite is the Kobelco CS80. You will have to make sacrafices. The spread between your two choices is too great and your trying to bridge the mini, full size gap. Hard to do with one machine.
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Old 09-01-2006, 05:35 PM
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Thanks for the info guys.
As far as digging basements that would not be it's primary job.

I have been shopping minis ,but I can buy a used 10 to 15 ton excavator for the same price as a new mini ex.

Just trying too get the most versatle machine.

You can rent Minis here fro less than 200 a day so if I ever had a really small job it is easy too rent.
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Old 09-06-2006, 09:52 PM
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Flexibility and knowing your market seem to be the name of the game.
I just talked with a chap in California....he runs a mini and mini skid steer and has always been busy......he gets in spots where others can't......he has gotten bigger by going smaller.....
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Old 09-06-2006, 10:10 PM
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You origionally asked "what is the strongest?". I have started looking around and comparing......some of the new zero's have less break out force than some of the older tail draggers.......some of the bigger boys in our neighborhood are getting rid of their "new" machines and trading around trying to find a "new" machine that is a good producer.......I have heard great reviews on Komatsu PC50......it seems to be the flavor of the week right now........
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Old 09-06-2006, 11:41 PM
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I don't like ZTS machines either ran a Komatsu 158 its a horrible machine its ZTS it bounces around it doesn't feel stable would I buy one no way.

Unless your working in really tight conditions a ZTS machine might be worth it otherwise stick with a conventional machine. I got a stiff neck running a ZTS machine because it wobbled around. It didn't matter how smooth you tried to be it still wobbled it is a brandnew machine I was on.
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Old 09-07-2006, 02:18 AM
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Gravel Rat........same complaints in general around here..."wobble-wobble" puts it pretty nice. Another pisser that guys are complaining about is that parts aren't fitting, rear hoods over the motor don't latch well for very long and in due time the hoods come off from guys just getting pissed at the latch system....cable's to the engine and air cleaner unit have plastic handles that are breaking inside the cab.......although "the wobble-wobble" is the big deal......
tell ya what, my 'ole tail dragger with a big old counter weight doesn't do that.....
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