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Old 12-17-2007, 08:51 PM
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Q for PAR users

When using PAR's in wells, what are some tricks people are using for installations? Is it better to use a lense cover to keep debris out, or is it better to use the shield side to avoid glare? I'm thinking I should experiment with debris covers, and improving protection of contacts.

Just wondering about tricks and preferences when using wells by people who have figured out how to use them with success. Also, wondering if silicone from a caulking gun or a hardening sealant would provide better protection than grease on the contacts.

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Old 12-17-2007, 08:56 PM
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You should get someone like Joey to manufacture a well light with both a glare shield and a lens. It's probably already in stock! If not, I'll be expecting commission checks for my invention.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:05 PM
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When using PAR's in wells, what are some tricks people are using for installations? Is it better to use a lense cover to keep debris out, or is it better to use the shield side to avoid glare? I'm thinking I should experiment with debris covers, and improving protection of contacts.

Just wondering about tricks and preferences when using wells by people who have figured out how to use them with success. Also, wondering if silicone from a caulking gun or a hardening sealant would provide better protection than grease on the contacts.

Thanks,

Mike M
there are two schools of thought. If it's open on the bottom (ie: standard 5" black PVC issued sleeve)use a grate or "open" shielded device as not to accumulate condensation on the underside of the glass lens.

If it's fully sealed then use a glass lens and or grate cover together
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:15 PM
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Thanks, that makes sense about the condensation. Chris, Unique has a debris grate that fits over the slanted side. I'd like to try some of those.

Also, for the flat side, they have a grate that looks like it works as a louver to reduce glare.
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:08 PM
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Well I prefer the well lights on walls, trees, etc. I do not use anything to cover the light. I wonder even with a cover will the mulch still catch on fire? Seems to me that heat would still build up.

On that note. I do tell my customers DO NOT cover the fixture with mulch or line needles, or it will catch on fire. I have had 2 service calls to where the mulch has caught on fire, due to who installed the mulch.
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:17 PM
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Well I prefer the well lights on walls, trees, etc. I do not use anything to cover the light. I wonder even with a cover will the mulch still catch on fire? Seems to me that heat would still build up.

On that note. I do tell my customers DO NOT cover the fixture with mulch or line needles, or it will catch on fire. I have had 2 service calls to where the mulch has caught on fire, due to who installed the mulch.
When installing a well light or any other inground fixture I would advise you to connect a thermal breaker to the lead wires and place it under or directly beside the fixture. This will cut the power to the fixture if it rises above the threshold temperature of the breaker.

Nightscaping offers these as a stand alone part upon request. Catalog number is LO-78-40-TB.

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Old 12-17-2007, 10:18 PM
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On that note. I do tell my customers DO NOT cover the fixture with mulch or line needles, or it will catch on fire. I have had 2 service calls to where the mulch has caught on fire, due to who installed the mulch.
You tell your customers that the fixtures may catch fire? And you still install them anyway? WOW!!!!!!!
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:57 AM
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Thanks, that makes sense about the condensation. Chris, Unique has a debris grate that fits over the slanted side. I'd like to try some of those.
FX has a fairly new one with a grate at a slant too. Haven't tried it yet, but it looks like it might work. Comes with an 8,000 hr. rated xenon PAR 36 in 20W or 35W.

http://www.fxl.com/products/product.htm?id=90

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Old 12-18-2007, 03:58 PM
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http://www.uniquelighting.com/produc...ell_lights.htm

We make a host of different wells with different options. We too had a thermal breaker but like the NS product they tend to fail before ever detecting the heat they should be protecting against. We loved this concept though. If they can get them to last they are very handy little devices for preventing flare ups.

Bottom line is that if you install a well it needs to be maintained and kept clear of debris. Grate or not depending on whats piling up and what wattage lamp is in the light it will smolder and could ignite. I prefer a completely sealed well light like our Apollo or Apollo Star. The Apollo Star being the best. Our Apollo series well lights cpme with lens options to soften, spread, or Narrow the beam as well as a Hex louver to diffuse glare.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:29 PM
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I use them a lot on walls and uplighting large trees. I like the spread of the light a little better than the MRs in certain applications, just my opinion. I have had wells full of leaves and have not caught on fire yet, however I do recognise this as a true danger. I give my customers a choice for a debris guard on the wells if they are willing to pay the extra. If not I advise them to just check them from time to time to ensure they are cleaned out.
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