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Old 06-30-2009, 11:35 PM
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Well Light

Over the past couple of years I havent used very many well lights due to the problems that I have had in the past with water and fire ants. I am finding myself wanting to use some here and there in my designs but was curious what everybody else was currently using?? Do you like the Par 36 or the MR16 or 11? Which fixture do you find has the best adjustment and durability? I would really like something fairly deep so as not to be looking at the source but I still like a wide beam spread in most cases.
Any input and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:50 PM
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I have not installed a par in long time. too many expensive bulbs replaced under warranty was damaging my reputation and pocketbook. Leaves, insects, etc add to the misery. I use wall washers when you really need the floody beams, but mostly 60 degree mr-16's. mr-11's are limited to 30 degrees of flood, and tend to not last as long as mr-16's as a rule. But I do use them on gutter mounts pretty regular.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:02 AM
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My experience with well lights so far have been pretty good. I tend to only install in the turf with lots of gravel and piece of pvc about a foot long leading out of the hole for drainage.
Have not used the PAR lamps as I have only used MR 16's. Lots of degrees to play with and wattages.
I am currently working on installing 4 of these into stamped concrete. Conduit is running under the ABS and lots of gravel. The hard part for this application is finding a sono tube that is the same diameter as the ABS. Might have to modify something to create the form for the concrete.
Anyways that's my 2 cents.

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Old 07-01-2009, 01:23 AM
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I have not installed a par in long time. too many expensive bulbs replaced under warranty was damaging my reputation and pocketbook. Leaves, insects, etc add to the misery. I use wall washers when you really need the floody beams, but mostly 60 degree mr-16's. mr-11's are limited to 30 degrees of flood, and tend to not last as long as mr-16's as a rule. But I do use them on gutter mounts pretty regular.
Man Dave, I dont' know what kind of pars you have been using but I am getting well over a year on all of mine without any problems at all. I use all GE lamps exclusively on all pars, t-3s, MR16s and 11s. The old tractor light is my preference for washing architecture as I have done the side by sides and it gives a wider, smoother spread than the MRs, especially when you add a lense to it also. Just my preference, I won't knock anybody who uses an MR exclusively though. It is a personal preference and for the way I design the par just works better for me in some instances than the MRs do.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:32 AM
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CopperMoons cm360 fits real nice in a 6" sonotube
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:39 AM
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Thats too funny. That is what I am installing but we measured the brass grate and it was only 5 and three quarters. I was worried that the grate will not cover the hole left by the sono tube. Thanks for the tip I will try it out.

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Old 07-01-2009, 11:48 AM
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I mainly well lights with PARS. I have had bulbs last 2-3 yrs. I do run into every once and a while with the screw on the bulb that will be loose just a little bit. I think the contraction and expansion cause that.
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:32 PM
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Pars tend to last longer then MR's in my experience......

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Old 07-02-2009, 11:18 AM
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Pars tend to last longer then MR's in my experience......
That was a joke right?
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Old 07-02-2009, 02:04 PM
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I love the effect of a par 36, but I have had to replace dozens upon dozens under warranty. when I used to install , say, 16 pars on a home, I'd plan on replacing at least 4-6 in the years time before full bulb replacement. I would build in 3 service calls into my original bid to cover service. Par bulbs tend to cost about 2x more than MR's. Mr's are more like one bulb out per install per year, many times none and maybe 2 if they run it all might long. The open par also lends itself to wire corrosion unless you really, really seal those crimp screw ends. also The leaves, roots, etc, what a pain. a fully sealed like Joey's par is great for those close uplighting tree jobs, like a jap maple or dogwood, but the bulb replacement is just too much for me to deal with.

I'd rather see an 80 degree mr-16 and let the par die.
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