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Old 12-30-2009, 12:43 AM
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deciding on 4 cylinder trucks

I have been looking at the following trucks

2003/4+ ranger with the 2.3 not the 2.5 4 cylinder
last generation of the s10 with the 2.2
second to last generation 2.5l dakota late 90's early 200x's
Frontiers with the 4 cylinder
Tacomas with the 4 cylinder

I'm leaning towards a 5 speed manual transmission but wouldn't pass on a nice auto.

Mainly looking to get around 20mpg. I only plan on towing a small 5x8 trailer with a 36 wright. I know about the greater distance braking with the smaller trucks so lets get past that. Which do you guys prefer for mowing operations? I defiantly need a extra cab. Do the Japanese and Dakota trucks come in long bed? I would like to get a Colorado but they are all over 6,000 and I don't see spending more then that on a compact truck being a good investment. Would my deduction be the same vs a full size truck for my taxes? Mileage deduction is the same I believe, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:03 PM
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I'll recommend a manual trans due to 4cyl power issues...you'll get better mpg's as you well know. However, if you're towing I'll further recommend a V6.

My 2dr Kingcab Frontier XE 4cyl has been a rock. Gets 21-22mpg (mix of city/hwy) whether equipment is loaded or not...bedshell on or off. REAL consistent. Alternator, brakes, batteries...that's it for repairs with 110K on it.

However, I don't pull a trailer...I'm self-contained using a quality ramp.

Maintaining HWY speeds would likely be a challenge while pulling a trailer, imo. If you don't need to tow at hwy speeds, then a 4cyl should work OK.


As a very general approach to fuel costs, here's what I calculated for my parameters:

For every 5000 miles driven and rounding up to $3/gal
-at 20 mpg then $750 in fuel cost
-at 15 mpg then $1000
-at 10 mpg then $1500

So at 20 mpg, & if I average 15k miles/yr then I save $750 over a truck that gets 15 mpg which is ~$15/week extra fuel cost if averaged over 52 weeks. It's not a whole lot of $$$, but it adds up for sure.
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Old 12-30-2009, 03:34 PM
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What size equipment do you have. Have any pictures? Right now this is my rig below. I still have two other trailers but I'm sick of towing. Right now I'm only getting between 9-11 mpg which sucks. Its a auto 4.2 v6. Just trying to get ahead because I know gas will be over 3.50 this summer for sure and probable close to the 5 dollar mark during driving season. I don't want to have to raise prices as much as others or at all if I can.

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What size equipment do you have. Have any pictures? Right now this is my rig below. I still have two other trailers but I'm sick of towing. Right now I'm only getting between 9-11 mpg which sucks. Its a auto 4.2 v6. Just trying to get ahead because I know gas will be over 3.50 this summer for sure and probable close to the 5 dollar mark during driving season. I don't want to have to raise prices as much as others or at all if I can.

My 04 f150 Heritage shortbed , with 4.2 manual consistently got 16 mpg hauling a 6X10 , 36 walk , two 21"s , two trimmers, two blowers a edger and hand tools and tool boxes. You have a fuel issue or a lead foot.
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My 04 f150 Heritage shortbed , with 4.2 manual consistently got 16 mpg hauling a 6X10 , 36 walk , two 21"s , two trimmers, two blowers a edger and hand tools and tool boxes. You have a fuel issue or a lead foot.
Although I will agree that driving technique can account for up to 20% of a vehicle's fuel mileage, sometimes more.
Beyond that a religious maintenance program also helps, change the oil and filter, the air filter, the spark plugs, the list goes on...
Just one underinflated tire can cost 5-10% in fuel economy, so keeping up with this as best as one can does make a difference.

But beyond that with some outfits it's all in the engine and the weight, my '95 3/4 ton club cab with a 5.9L V8 and a 6x12 trailer
weighs 6 thousand pounds empty, I can almost see 12mpg on a very good day, under 10 when it's not so good.
There ain't NOTHING I can do about it, not even "driving with load" to a fault helps but so much.

My '86 D-250 used to get 14mpg all the time, it used to drive me nuts.

I mean I have gone so far as to study the aerodynamics of the truck to figure out what modifications I can make
I kid you not, I spent WEEKS fooling with that

In the end I just had to face the music, some trucks don't do as well as others.

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Although I will agree that driving technique can account for up to 20% of a vehicle's fuel mileage, sometimes more.
Beyond that a religious maintenance program also helps, change the oil and filter, the air filter, the spark plugs, the list goes on...
Just one underinflated tire can cost 5-10% in fuel economy, so keeping up with this as best as one can does make a difference.

But beyond that with some outfits it's all in the engine and the weight, my '95 3/4 ton club cab with a 5.9L V8 and a 6x12 trailer
weighs 6 thousand pounds empty, I can almost see 12mpg on a very good day, under 10 when it's not so good.
There ain't NOTHING I can do about it, not even "driving with load" to a fault helps but so much.

My '86 D-250 used to get 14mpg all the time, it used to drive me nuts.

I mean I have gone so far as to study the aerodynamics of the truck to figure out what modifications I can make
I kid you not, I spent WEEKS fooling with that

In the end I just had to face the music, some trucks don't do as well as others.
The same deja moo yet again. You have got to be kidding me. Typical, monkeys footballs and lovemaking... I will let you put it all together.

honestly a Ranger with 3.0 or a half ton with a 4.6 would be the way to go. The 4.2 is not a bad engine but for extra displacement and no major difference in gas, the extra bit of engine is worth it.
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Old 12-30-2009, 04:56 PM
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Its a pitty you guys cant get any small diesels over there. I dont understand why? Maybe they think everyone wants one of those huge F150's or something. When I see a F150 here for example, its never a work truck and I just shake my head knowing alot of you guys use them, and bigger for towing a mower or 2.

That said, those large trucks and fuel is much much cheaper over there, maybe I'd have something bigger if I could.

Personally, I have a Auto 3 litre turbo diesel Toyota Hilux that tows a 6x8 trailer with a superZ no problem. (3000kg towing capacity.) Trailer is braked.
We also have 3 Litre Turbo diesel Rangers/Mazda that are highly regarded.
Just about every manufacture makes a small diesel for over here.
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Are they 5 a 6 inlined engines? If so thats probably why we don't have them because of the crash testing.
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4 cylinder! Can get 2.5L TD and V6 in some as well but diesel is most popular.

Crash testing must be just an excuse.
Compare Nissan for example.
Yours... http://www.nissanusa.com/frontier/
Ours....(look @ specs page) http://www.nissan.com.au/webpages/mo...ara_model.html
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Diesel's aren't popular here. People don't like the sound of them and everybody things they are hard to start. I have always had diesels mostly from Mercedes. I would love to see a light duty diesel truck. I know they have been talking forever for a diesel f150 here.
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