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Damn Predators!

Well something is hitting my own collection of Koi. I've lost 2 in the last couple of months, but I'm not sure what it is that is getting my Koi. I guess I need a wildlife motion camera to see the culprit.

What are some of your tricks if it is a Heron?
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A 20guage with bird shot!
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Ohhhh trust me on that! Whatever it was, it took one of my favorites and was an imported Japanese yellow beauty.


Another local builder has missouri minks hitting his pond.
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[QUOTE=STL Ponds and Waterfalls;3596184]Ohhhh trust me on that! Whatever it was, it took one of my favorites and was an imported Japanese yellow beauty.


Another local builder has missouri minks hitting his pond.
[/QUOTESomebody told me they will get your favorite one every time. Seems like that is true but it sure hurts to see them go like that. I've had problems with Herons and Coons.
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You are close on the map, but I have had problems with banded water snakes.
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[QUOTE=gunsnroses

You are close on the map, but I have had problems with banded water snakes.[/QUOTE]

I have a young and very colorful Corn Snake that lives in my Pond environment. They have much the same diet as Water Snakes. They like small fish (along with frogs, tadpoles, salamanders etc.) and will not attempt to snare anything as large as a Koi, except maybe when the Koi are very young fry. They eat their prey while it is still alive. No way they can handle a Koi. They are also great for rodent control when they grow to adulthood.

If something is getting your Koi, you can bet that it is not a snake.
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Missing Koi

Three things will get 'em that I know of: Labradors, Racoons, and Herons. Sometimes Otters if you live close enough to a larger body of water.

Dogs are easy, racoons are tougher....chicken wire usually does the trick but Herons are easy: Just get a fake Heron and plant it next to your pond. A real one will never, ever fish the same hole. They're kind've like fly fishermen in that way. Don't know about Otters. They're really smart. I've have them swim up underneath a string of trout I've had in the water and rip me off that way.
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Three things will get 'em that I know of: Labradors, Racoons, and Herons. Sometimes Otters if you live close enough to a larger body of water.

Dogs are easy, racoons are tougher....chicken wire usually does the trick but Herons are easy: Just get a fake Heron and plant it next to your pond. A real one will never, ever fish the same hole. They're kind've like fly fishermen in that way. Don't know about Otters. They're really smart. I've have them swim up underneath a string of trout I've had in the water and rip me off that way.
Labradors? Really, I've never heard of them getting Koi.
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Keith-
I always had great luck with the 'Scarecrow' device. I have installed it for several customers who have lost Koi to Herons and they have not lost a fish since. The Heron decoys don't seem to work on our Deep South coastal birds.

I personally have never had a problem with Herons, but that may be because I have a Bald Eagle that visits quite regularly. Eagles and Hawks will take fish also if you allow them an adequate glide path.

The ultimate deterrent for Herons and the smaller predators is probably a very large, mean dog.
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The ultimate deterrent for Herons and the smaller predators is probably a very large, mean dog.
Yea, I keep telling my little Dachshund and Beagle that they are sleeping outside from now on.

Scarecrow device? Is that the motion activated sprinkler shot?
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