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Old 08-27-2010, 10:35 AM
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Ex felons and bad credit in hiring

http://wjz.com/consumer/job.screenin...2.1855549.html

Interesting debate. I'm certainly in the everybody deserves a second chance category but I also believe an employer has a right to not hire as well.
Have you ever hired somebody with a criminal record?
One of the more insidious situations is the 18 year old senior and the 15 year old freshman. If her parents file charges and he gets convicted he will be listed on sex offender lists for the rest of his life. In most states a girl is not allowed to have consensual sex until 17.
Would you hire a kid in this situation knowing he is on sex offender lists?
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:42 AM
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Teens sending nude photos to each other can get them on the sex offender list. As does streaking. Boulder used to have a non-official nude bike ride rally, and there were threats this year of arresting and charging anyone that was doing it. I don't recall the outcome. The laws need to be amended.

Not sure if I would hire him. I would need more info from him personally.
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Old 08-27-2010, 06:24 PM
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Depends on the felony, once a theif , always a theif. That being said if Im not mistaken , simple posession of reefer in Nevada is still a felony
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Old 08-27-2010, 09:08 PM
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I've hired several felons in the past, trying to do my part as a good Christian and give them a second chance. None of them still work here.

The prison system is not designed to create productive members of society. Once they've been in the big house, they become institutionalized and unable to think for themselves. If you want an employee that will do exactly what you tell them and then sit there and wait for you to tell them exactly what to do next, ex-cons are probably for you. If you need someone that can think for themselves, keep looking.

Oh, and about 1/2 of them stole from me when they quit or disappeared off the face of the Earth. I know they need jobs but not from me.
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Old 08-28-2010, 11:28 AM
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How about this story? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5497517 Should he get a shot at the NFL?

Guy made a very poor decision at 16, and will live with it forever. But has owned up to it every step of the way. Could be an NFL player except for this one poor decision. It's a long article BTW.
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Old 08-29-2010, 05:39 PM
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How about this story? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5497517 Should he get a shot at the NFL?

Guy made a very poor decision at 16, and will live with it forever. But has owned up to it every step of the way. Could be an NFL player except for this one poor decision. It's a long article BTW.
I have a lot of opinions on this overall topic that I will get to in another follow up post (yep, I think that highly of myself!)..But I did want to address this particular case. I read this article earlier in the week and personally I think it's another sympathy piece from ESPN that upon further analysis isn't very true. For starters, the nfl has a nickname commonly referred to as the National Felons League for a reason, it's the biggest billion dollar business you will ever find that willingly hands out second, third, fourth and fifth chances to criminals. Leonard Little, Pac Man Jones, Dontae Stallworth this is just a short list of people who have all been directly or heavily involved in the death of someone else but still were welcomed back to the league.

My point is, if this guy were really as talented as the article leads you to believe he would be in the NFL. In fact, if he were talented enough to start on any NFL team he would be in the league. The bottom line is it sounds like the story of a guy pursuing a dream that he probably just isn't good enough for, but conveniently ESPN found a storyline that made it appear he was being blackballed. Espn regularly paints problem players as the victims and isn't a firm stalwart of accountability. If this guy was a pro bowl talent he could have slept with his sister and followed it up with a dui manslaughter count and still been in the league. Me personally, I don't know anything about the guy or his background. I have heard a lot of excuses made for him about his "life" which granted I have never walked a day in his shoes. That being said, I can't imagine ever looking at my sister in a manner that leads me to have sexual feelings towards her and im not sure I want to understand that.
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Old 08-29-2010, 06:12 PM
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Now for the original topic response. I can't help but believe we are a country that everyday takes a firm step backwards in relation to accountability. At the end of the day though, in the real world outside the media sympathy, generally you are screwed if you decide to walk the path of a criminal. Granted, white collar crime is often much more accepted, that being said im not really sympathetic to people who knowingly put themselves in bad situations.

By in large, once you have a felony or significant blemish on your record then you have a lot of proving to do outside the realm of saying your sorry. Unfortunately, most "2nd chancers" rarely believe in this approach and for the most part our country fosters their lack of accountability. If you are a former criminal and you are given a 2nd chance, you better knock my socks off with your new found work ethic, attitude and overall eagerness to be a great employee. This is rarely the case and often times it's the small business that ends up paying the price.

I find our handling of criminals and the collapse of the manufacturing and production side of our country very similar. We became to lazy as a people to realize the importance of manufacturing in our country. We decided it was cheaper to let someone else do it and we could wash our hands of the tough part of business. Ultimately, there will come a time where we can become held hostage by a large portion of the world because we don't have skilled labor for manufacturing, we don't have any factories and we have basically given up on all resources. As a country, we are the middle man to success and riches. Eventually everyone cuts out the middle man.

My correlation between these two points is, our country has become to lazy to hold people accountable. We are scared of the ramifications of telling someone "this is the real world, nobody gives a damn about how hard your life has been and it surely doesn't justify you being a criminal". So to quit my blow hard point, I don't feel any responsibility to provide someone with a 2nd chance. But if they put themselves in a position to prove me wrong, then I certainly would be rational about them being a part of my company. It's their job and responsibility to find that way to get their foot in the door.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:53 PM
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Should have some mechanism to drop off the registry in his case. The lifetime punishment way exceeds the crime.
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:00 PM
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http://wjz.com/consumer/job.screenin...2.1855549.html

Interesting debate. I'm certainly in the everybody deserves a second chance category but I also believe an employer has a right to not hire as well.
Have you ever hired somebody with a criminal record?
One of the more insidious situations is the 18 year old senior and the 15 year old freshman. If her parents file charges and he gets convicted he will be listed on sex offender lists for the rest of his life. In most states a girl is not allowed to have consensual sex until 17.
Would you hire a kid in this situation knowing he is on sex offender lists?
I would be careful to check the real facts related to the conviction. I do a lot of Prison (and I mean state maximum security, not county) work as a volunteer. Usually the public record will only show what the DA and the defense negotiated but there could be a list of original charges as long as your arm.

People make mistakes and deserve a second chance, true but be careful with sex offenders since you will enter into an arena with a publicly endesirable employee. Check his parole limitations, this is very important call & talk to his parole officer. Some may not have ANY contact with ANY minor or be within a certain distance of them. Do you do residential? Are near a playground? They may (and usually do) have travel limitations, do you work out of the county?

All that said, I have hired sex offendors; only after having personally known them while still in prison for several years. Have observed life changing behaviors and received input from their classification officers. All of this would be true for any ex-offendor you would consider hiring.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:09 PM
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I would never hire a sex offender or an ex con.

1. I have to do my part to put the best possible person on my customers properties. If I am in any way endangering them or their children I'll shut my doors.
2. I work from a shop on my property and would never want people like that coming to my house let alone my customers.
3. In Ohio you have to register your work location also which goes on the list that people run when they are looking to move near you. A guy across the st. hired a sex offender and it pissed a lot of people off.

We like to "house" people in the US jail system because we are not allowed to punish people anymore. Punishment for a crime is no more. Now the felons have more rights than law abiding citizens plus we get to foot the bill. We don't really discourage people to not go to prison. These guys go there and see their friends do their time then start the whole process over again. Go to prison for stealing.. lose a hand.. bet you won't be back. Sexually assault someone's daughter? Lose some other parts... good chance you won't be on the re-offend list anytime soon.

To the point. No I don't hire them.
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