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Old 01-17-2011, 09:45 AM
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Help me understand.

Lets say you had a regular job and were plugging along and all of a sudden you get the pink slip so you decide to start a landscaping business like the million or so around my area. Now before you started this business while you were still employed you owned a truck and a mower(say a lawn tractor) and a trimmer and edger, you know to take care of your own property.

Well you go out and buy a trailer, a small one and you start throwing baggies with rocks in them and a business card inside and you pick up a few lawns. Lets say over the period of 1 month you pick up 10 $35 lawns. 5 of those are bi weekly and the other 5 are weekly. So for 5 of the weekly lawns you make $175 a week and the other bi weekly lawns you make $87.50 for a total of $262.50 a week.

Now since you already owned all of the equipment except for the trailer, lets say you picked up a used 10ft trailer for $500. So you have $500 invested in a trailer and say $100 in business cards and plastic baggies, so you have $600 total invested right?

So at $262.50 a week you already paid for everything and your off making money. $262.50 x 4 = $1050.00 Not bad right? Your already $450 ahead of the game right?

If your in this situation or a similar situation you have no overhead and are on the road to financial success right?

Just thought I would throw this out there for opinions. Is my math and figuring correct?

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Old 01-17-2011, 10:59 AM
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If $1,000 a week is considered success then I guess so. What are you missing? Well insurance for one thing...and don't forget uncle sam will want his cut. Those are two things out of many. Hopefully others will chim in...
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:08 AM
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That's the trappings of this biz. You can start up will little or no input costs.

It's when you start to grow after a couple of years that you over-head starts to rise to meet the demands.

But like stated above, you need to consider insurance, taxes, fuel costs, repair costs, maintenance costs, etc...
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:39 AM
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Well since I owned everything except the trailer, do I count the other stuff as business expenses? The truck is worth around $25 grand and the mower I paid $1800 for about 5 years ago and the trimmer and edger I paid about $500 for a few years ago.

Does that stuff count as overhead costs or do I not even add those costs since I already had those?

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Well since I owned everything except the trailer, do I count the other stuff as business expenses? The truck is worth around $25 grand and the mower I paid $1800 for about 5 years ago and the trimmer and edger I paid about $500 for a few years ago.

Does that stuff count as overhead costs or do I not even add those costs since I already had those?

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No, because you already own them. The only way you could ride it off as an expense now is if you formed a corporation of sorts and then sold them to the corporation.

With the truck and trailer you can ride off the expenses either in mileage or maintenance costs. Or you can do a corporation and lease/sell them to the corporation.

Really though, you should talk to an accountant to get everything in order so you are taking full and correct advantage of your situation.
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:47 AM
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Well since I owned everything except the trailer, do I count the other stuff as business expenses? The truck is worth around $25 grand and the mower I paid $1800 for about 5 years ago and the trimmer and edger I paid about $500 for a few years ago.

Does that stuff count as overhead costs or do I not even add those costs since I already had those?

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Just a guess here but if you already owned it then you can't count it as a business expense now. You can sale it to yourself but they gets complicated.If you use the truck for personal use you can only count mileage. That's where having a CPA comes in. They cost you about $50-$80 a hour.
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:49 AM
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I use the truck for 75% business and 25% personal same with the mower and trimmers and stuff.

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Old 01-17-2011, 11:49 AM
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Just a guess here but if you already owned it then you can't count it as a business expense now. You can sale it to yourself but they gets complicated.If you use the truck for personal use you can only count mileage. That's where having a CPA comes in. They cost you about $50-$80 a hour.
Can you loan me one of those? Going rate around here is $150.00/hr
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:08 PM
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Just a guess here but if you already owned it then you can't count it as a business expense now. You can sale it to yourself but they gets complicated.If you use the truck for personal use you can only count mileage. That's where having a CPA comes in. They cost you about $50-$80 a hour.
So if I'm a DBA I can't use those for my start up costs?

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Old 01-17-2011, 11:55 AM
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Lets say you are making a little over $1000 a month, which I do not consider a lot unless you are single and live rent free at home. Do you not pay for gas? Now lets say one of your machines break down, thats a big chunk out of your monthly income. Your also banking this success on the fact that you are not running a legitimate operation. You dont pay taxes and you dont pay insurance. If you are paying, then you do not have financial success unless you have no living expenses.
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