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Old 09-06-2011, 09:33 PM
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Mowing is not a job... then what else do you call it?!

Sooo lately a lot of people ask me where do you work. I just tell i mow lawns for my self. 9/10 times I get a response like this, Mowing is not a job... its just so that you can make a little extra money.

Now can some one please explain to me how the hell mowing is not a job?! I mean i work probably harder then them who work at a fast food restaurant or where ever they get hired. I just dont get it! Its probably just the youth of these siting on there lazy asses playing xbox all day.

Oh im 16 btw and mow 8 lawns.

Sorry guys i just had to vent about it. it was just really making me mad saying that mowing isnt a job. I mean i know its not a fully established business yet but im getting closer and closer and really do work hard to get it a fully established business.
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Old 09-06-2011, 09:50 PM
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My wife didn't think mowing was work until she joined me for half day never again will she disrespect the industry..

Tell them to pound sand when questioned about your job..
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Old 09-06-2011, 09:58 PM
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I think you will get a lot more respect when you get older and have your own truck and trailer....I just went through your picture thread and it looks like you do a great job with what you have. I am 22 and still get looks from people when I tell them I own a full service lawn and landscape company ( I choose to say that rather than I mow grass) I am fully legit with all my licenses and what not and insurance. You will have people tell you on here that you have to look professional to be taken as a pro, and to a point that is right, but not all the time. I can tell from your pictures that you live in a very nice neighborhood and from my experience, those people are looking for the professional look, not just in the end product, but in the presentation of your services. I have two 1 million plus homes and if I rolled up with crappy looking equipment and like a didnt give a rats a** then I would probably be fired even though the yards look fantastic. I respect that you are doing the best you can with what you have and you should be very proud of yourself, and so should your parents. Another thing you may want to consider...I noticed in the beginning of your pic thread you mentioned that two of your customers had the "pros" come and mow and that you lost out on $70 which means your are mowing those yards for 35. I would most likely assume that in that area, with those size properties, and with all the services you are doing to make them look great, your competition is probably charging around 70 per cut per yard.
I know you asked about insurance and such, and that is something you really need to look into as soon as possible. It is vital to run an operation in this industry. Get everything you need to run a business and try to do as much as you can without any money from your parents (IDK if you are getting any now?) Once you know all the expenses associated with running a "business" you might see why people dont take you seriously at the current time when you are mowing 3/4 acre high income properties for 35.
By expenses (and I am only putting so much time into this b/c I am bored) I am talking about insurance, taxes, payroll (if you have a helper) licenses, wear and tear on equipment, depreciation, savings, phone bill, fuel, and so on. Really consider all these things. I can tell you for certain that if I mowed any of those properties in those pictures for 35, I would probably break even or might make a little if I can get it done in under 1 hour with another employee, which Im sure I could.

With all that said, keep your chin up man! Be proud of what you have accomplished and dont let anyone get you down, it is so not worth it. And im sure bobcat48 will give you some encouragement as well...lol..I had too

Good Luck and PM me if you need any further advice or help ( I feel like Dr. Phil?)
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Old 09-06-2011, 10:54 PM
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yeah dont say the usual line "i cut grass" or "i mow lawns." It makes you sound like a little immature kid. Say i run a Landscaping business! haha

best thing to do is stay in school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep doin what you're doin. school first,work second. This is from the heart: im 37 years old and have been doing lawns,landscape, and snow since i was 19 "officially/ legally" It was good money...(could go out and party, go on dates,etc) Now with a wife and son. Its not really the best money. Well also with the econ. being the way it is!

If i could do it all over again i would of been a doctor or something... Not just some "lawn jockey"<<People call us! No offense to anyone else who is in the same business.
I also wouldnt of ever cut anyone else's lawn other than my own!

By all means im not trying to discourage you, but educate you. Im sure you do a great job and are proud of yourself but im trying to help you out so you dont end up like me! Im no small company either pushing 12 guys a day! These lowballers are ruining it for everyone!
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Old 09-07-2011, 01:13 AM
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best thing to do is stay in school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree. Who do you think many of those lowballers are? College grads who can't find work or those that had a good job then got laid off. You are way ahead of the game working and earning money right after high school instead of partying four years in some diploma mill, getting yourself $200K in debt then not finding work.

Don't get me started on how 50% of kids do not belong in college. If you don't have a clear goal and an excellent chance of employment upon graduation in your field when you enter a college you don't belong there.

On of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in is because of thinking like yours. We have a generation whose parents, mostly hard workers like ourselves back in the 50's, wanted a "better life" for their kids. So every kid had to have a college education and the result was they don't want to get their hands dirty, have an attitude towards those who do and feel entitled to as much money as possible.

Being in the trades or doing manual work today is considered a stigma and so our workforce is rapidly declining as we retire and our sons or daughters aren't taking our places as they once did. So we are inundated with illegals "doing the work nobody wants to do".

There's the rest of your lowballers.
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Old 09-07-2011, 02:37 AM
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I don't think mowing is a job either.
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:38 AM
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the problem you state is because many kids get nearly useless degrees. How may major in Art or History with high hopes, then graduate and maybe a few get there dream job, but many of them find they can't fand anthing paying for that degree other than teaching. I know a guy who works a large national landscape comapany. Worked there all through college when he got his History degree, now after graduating he is still working for brickman because that pays better than anything he can do with his history degree untill he finishes graduate school. On the other end, I'm running what most here would consider a successful company, and I'm back in school working on towards my masters degree. Last semester we were in a class where we had to talk about anxieties and a common one for many of the students was finding a good job after graduating. Students were saying that if they could find a job paying in 50k+ a year then they wouldn't be in school. I just laughed and told them I'm 10 years older than them, make more than that, and I'm here. Learn from my mistake and get it done right away. The important thing is don't just go to get an easy degree, if you don't have your heart set on something in particular go for general business. Atleast then if you decide to stay in this industry you'll have a degree that you can use a business owner. At the minimum gat an associates degree, it will help you learn to run a business and if you decide to go further you will already have a good amount of credits.

I could poll 1000 people right now in all different industries, and I am sure many more will say they wish they went to school than will say they wich they hadn't.

Plus the biggest reason is college is filled with girls

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best thing to do is stay in school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree. Who do you think many of those lowballers are? College grads who can't find work or those that had a good job then got laid off. You are way ahead of the game working and earning money right after high school instead of partying four years in some diploma mill, getting yourself $200K in debt then not finding work.

Don't get me started on how 50% of kids do not belong in college. If you don't have a clear goal and an excellent chance of employment upon graduation in your field when you enter a college you don't belong there.

On of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in is because of thinking like yours. We have a generation whose parents, mostly hard workers like ourselves back in the 50's, wanted a "better life" for their kids. So every kid had to have a college education and the result was they don't want to get their hands dirty, have an attitude towards those who do and feel entitled to as much money as possible.

Being in the trades or doing manual work today is considered a stigma and so our workforce is rapidly declining as we retire and our sons or daughters aren't taking our places as they once did. So we are inundated with illegals "doing the work nobody wants to do".

There's the rest of your lowballers.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:58 PM
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the problem you state is because many kids get nearly useless degrees. How may major in Art or History with high hopes, then graduate and maybe a few get there dream job, but many of them find they can't fand anthing paying for that degree other than teaching. I know a guy who works a large national landscape comapany. Worked there all through college when he got his History degree, now after graduating he is still working for brickman because that pays better than anything he can do with his history degree untill he finishes graduate school.
Right. Those are the 50% I'm talking about. High school used to get you ready to deal with life and employment. Sadly today, all it is is a preschool for college. Doesn't matter if you are not college material- that's all you are given and then you are made to feel like you were riding the short bus if you go against political correctness and decide not to "stay in school" by going on to a trade school or employment. By the way, "stay in school" used to mean complete and graduate from high school. So that's why there are so many kids with useless degrees, unemployable and in debt when they are only 22.

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On the other end, I'm running what most here would consider a successful company, and I'm back in school working on towards my masters degree. Last semester we were in a class where we had to talk about anxieties and a common one for many of the students was finding a good job after graduating. Students were saying that if they could find a job paying in 50k+ a year then they wouldn't be in school. I just laughed and told them I'm 10 years older than them, make more than that, and I'm here. Learn from my mistake and get it done right away. The important thing is don't just go to get an easy degree, if you don't have your heart set on something in particular go for general business. Atleast then if you decide to stay in this industry you'll have a degree that you can use a business owner. At the minimum get an associates degree, it will help you learn to run a business and if you decide to go further you will already have a good amount of credits.
What you have done comes from maturity and some life experience. Asking a 17 year old kid who's only experience is an iPhone and xBox to decide what they are going to do for the rest of their life is insane. Some do have a career mapped out but most don't. That level of maturity just isn't there any more. It's been taken away by coddling parents and schools. Advising to at least get a business degree isn't going to help if that kid has no aspirations in that direction (if they have any aspirations at all). It's much better to do what you did- figure out what you want to do then educate yourself in that direction.

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Students were saying that if they could find a job paying in 50k+ a year then they wouldn't be in school. I just laughed and told them I'm 10 years older than them, make more than that, and I'm here.
I think what they were saying was that they are in school because they couldn't find a job. It's just something to do.

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I could poll 1000 people right now in all different industries, and I am sure many more will say they wish they went to school than will say they wish they hadn't.
See, that's just wishful thinking at a time when times are tough. The grass is alway greener until you get to that other side and find that it's not so green after all. I can say that I wish I had done many things differently in my life but I can't say with any certainty that things would be any different than they are today. On the other hand I can wish that things had happened differently in my life but unfortunately none of us has that power.
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Old 09-07-2011, 09:43 PM
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best thing to do is stay in school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree. Who do you think many of those lowballers are? College grads who can't find work or those that had a good job then got laid off. You are way ahead of the game working and earning money right after high school instead of partying four years in some diploma mill, getting yourself $200K in debt then not finding work.

Don't get me started on how 50% of kids do not belong in college. If you don't have a clear goal and an excellent chance of employment upon graduation in your field when you enter a college you don't belong there.

On of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in is because of thinking like yours. We have a generation whose parents, mostly hard workers like ourselves back in the 50's, wanted a "better life" for their kids. So every kid had to have a college education and the result was they don't want to get their hands dirty, have an attitude towards those who do and feel entitled to as much money as possible.

Being in the trades or doing manual work today is considered a stigma and so our workforce is rapidly declining as we retire and our sons or daughters aren't taking our places as they once did. So we are inundated with illegals "doing the work nobody wants to do".

There's the rest of your lowballers.
So far from the truth...

First off, the only way you will have $200K in loans is if you go to an ivy league school with no scholarships. State school college can be done for roughly $15K a year in most Midwest states (even adding in living expenses, you are no where close to $200K).

If you don't have a clear goal and an excellent chance of employment upon graduation in your field when you enter a college you don't belong there.

Are you serious? While I agree that it is good to have a clear plan coming into school, it is not the end of the world if you don't initially. Gen eds are going to make up the majority of your first 2 years anyways, plenty of people don't figure out their major until then. "Undecided" as a major is pretty common for freshmen, you're statement is simply not accurate.

Alternatively, I do agree with the other posters about how you shouldn't waste your time getting a worthless degree.

One last thing I will throw out there, is my opinion on business degrees. DO NOT major in marketing or general business. If you are GB, many employers see this as you have no expertise. Regarding marketing, those guys have a really hard time getting a job out of school, not enough jobs in the field. I also view management as a bit of a waste too, all you learn is theory.

IMO, if you're not sure what you want to major in, choose finance, accounting, or economics. Finance and accounting actually provide some quantitative skills that are of value, they are not just memorizing theory.

Also, no matter what you're degree is, networking is almost as important. The old phrase "It's not what you know, it's who you know" is still true today. Reach out to alumni (you can use LinkedIn for this), go to events, career fairs, etc.

Finally, if you actually want a shot at getting a job upon graduation, you need to have done summer internships. If not, you're just one of the thousands of resumes employers get. You have to give them a reason to give a sh** about you, the best way to do this is by gaining experience, which internships do.

There you go, that's some free advice right there!
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:17 AM
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best thing to do is stay in school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree. Who do you think many of those lowballers are? College grads who can't find work or those that had a good job then got laid off. You are way ahead of the game working and earning money right after high school instead of partying four years in some diploma mill, getting yourself $200K in debt then not finding work.

Don't get me started on how 50% of kids do not belong in college. If you don't have a clear goal and an excellent chance of employment upon graduation in your field when you enter a college you don't belong there.

On of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in is because of thinking like yours. We have a generation whose parents, mostly hard workers like ourselves back in the 50's, wanted a "better life" for their kids. So every kid had to have a college education and the result was they don't want to get their hands dirty, have an attitude towards those who do and feel entitled to as much money as possible.

Being in the trades or doing manual work today is considered a stigma and so our workforce is rapidly declining as we retire and our sons or daughters aren't taking our places as they once did. So we are inundated with illegals "doing the work nobody wants to do".

There's the rest of your lowballers.
good points, i am one of those that did both and i would say that is a very wise decision to make.
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