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Old 04-22-2012, 08:25 PM
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Massey Ferguson ZTRs?

I am in the process of looking at getting a new ZTR and I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these? I have searched but didnt find too much information..
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:55 PM
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As long as you have decent parts availability (local dealer?) and the parts arn't marked up 500% sounds like a good go for a tough mower
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:35 PM
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i've only seen tractors made by them. maybe they are trying to be like deere and get into mowers too.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:47 AM
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If you read through this PDF, you'll see they are really more of a high end homeowner/low end commercial mower. Both the diesels weigh in less than many gas models from other name brands which is great for the turf, but it tells me that there's not as much material in their construction overall, and they have much lower BTS's as well. They also have tunnel decks, which I know firsthand will cut every bit as good as any deck made, but not when you're dealing with large amounts of thick grass, and taking of several inches at a time at high speed as is common in the spring. They do look interesting though, and I hope they turn out to be another good choice eventually.

http://www.masseyferguson.us/Library...s-Brochure.pdf
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Old 04-23-2012, 01:09 AM
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FYI-Massey Ferguson mowers are sourced from Simplicity who has their ZT mowers built by Ferris and both of those are owned by Briggs & Stratton.
Seeing we own 2 Ferris walkbehinds if the newer ZT's are as good as our hydro DDs as long as you have a local dealer all should be good.
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:04 AM
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FYI-Massey Ferguson mowers are sourced from Simplicity who has their ZT mowers built by Ferris and both of those are owned by Briggs & Stratton.
Seeing we own 2 Ferris walkbehinds if the newer ZT's are as good as our hydro DDs as long as you have a local dealer all should be good.
Those mowers in the brochure are this http://www.iseki.co.jp/english/products/prod-zero.html
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:51 AM
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Those mowers in the brochure are this http://www.iseki.co.jp/english/products/prod-zero.html
Beat me to it. Most MF L&G machines are Simplicity built, but not these.

You're right about the weight. It was late last night and I just missed that. I also agree that they seem decent enough for commercial use, but like I mentioned, they need deeper decks for all purpose use in a commercial application IMO, along with a boost in BTS to at least 18K FPM..

There are only a couple MF dealers anywhere near us, and they are at least 30 miles from us if not more. They don't carry these machines, but instead carry more commonly used Z's from other sources. Not sure just exactly why though.

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Old 04-23-2012, 10:09 AM
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If you read through this PDF, you'll see they are really more of a high end homeowner/low end commercial mower. Both the diesels weigh in less than many gas models from other name brands which is great for the turf, but it tells me that there's not as much material in their construction overall, and they have much lower BTS's as well. They also have tunnel decks, which I know firsthand will cut every bit as good as any deck made, but not when you're dealing with large amounts of thick grass, and taking of several inches at a time at high speed as is common in the spring. They do look interesting though, and I hope they turn out to be another good choice eventually.

http://www.masseyferguson.us/Library...s-Brochure.pdf
Weight is w/o mower deck; agree on tunnel deck. I do not see in that brochure why that mower can not be used commercially, very similar to the Kubotas, seems very heavy duty, but I have never seen one in person.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:51 PM
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If you read through this PDF, you'll see they are really more of a high end homeowner/low end commercial mower. Both the diesels weigh in less than many gas models from other name brands which is great for the turf, but it tells me that there's not as much material in their construction overall, and they have much lower BTS's as well. They also have tunnel decks, which I know firsthand will cut every bit as good as any deck made, but not when you're dealing with large amounts of thick grass, and taking of several inches at a time at high speed as is common in the spring. They do look interesting though, and I hope they turn out to be another good choice eventually.

http://www.masseyferguson.us/Library...s-Brochure.pdf
Looking at the specs on the mower deck options, they do list a 60" and 72" standard deck, which are not tunnel decks, and then they list the 72" tunnel deck.

Your statement about the "tunnel deck not cutting well when dealing with tall, thick grass when taking off serveral inches at a time at high speed as is common in the spring" is contradictory to the basic reasoning behind the function of a tunnel style deck. If you read the Gravely info on the Pro Ride mower deck, or if you find some of the old EverRide Warrior Advertisements and videos of it, you'll see that it was designed to excel in the very conditions that you say it's not good at.

My experience with my Gravely Pro Ride has also backed up those statements. With the tunnel deck Pro Ride, I have been able to cut tall, thick spring growth at a high speed, when the ground is smooth enough. It will cut it clean also. I't ONLY disadvantage when cutting in those conditions is the clippings will be longer because the tunnel deck is working as designed in those conditions, which means that it is getting the clippings out of the deck quicker, which keeps the blades from getting overwelmed with the excessive amount of clippings. YOU can't hardly make the Gravely Pro Ride throw clumps in tall, thick grass. I always hear that the 7 Iron and Velocity plus decks won't hardly clump, neither will the Gravely Pro Ride.

I know that we live in different regions of the Country and have different kinds of grasses to deal with so I can't say that the Gravely Pro Ride / EverRide Warrior deck will work well in northern grasses but it does fine down here in Bahia country. Btw, I did get to use it in some tall/thick bahia late last summer and it handled it very well and at a pretty good speed also.

Also, contrary to the perception of some , about tunnel decks, when cutting normal growth grass, (bermuda, zoysia, st. Augustine) mine will discharge clippings that are fairly small, not as small as an Exmark Ultracut, Bobcat or my Lastec but it does chop them up noticably.

In one of the old EverRide threads, I think it was "Lawns Etc." that had used the warriors and JD's with the 7 Iron deck and he compared the cut between the two as pretty equal but that the JD would produce finer clippings.

I'm not saying that the tunnel deck design is the best deck ever, just that a tunnel decks main attribute is to excel in tall, thick grass. It might not work as well at 4" and above in the finer northern grasses but down here it (at least the Pro Ride deck anyway, as I have no experience with the MF/Iseki tunnel deck) works very well.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:50 AM
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They have some nice features. If they would put a good deck under it, I think it worth a look.
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