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Old 07-27-2012, 08:12 AM
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Socket-Bulb Problem

I have mostly been installing Volt fixtures for the past couple of years and have been having problems with the path light bi-pins that they sell with them. I recently went to a job that had only 5 path lights we installed a month ago and all were out. I tapped the bulb and they all came on. They are pregreased...although not very well by manufacturer but what else could the problem be? I also tried Halxogen 10K hr bi pins from my local dealer and had the same problem with those also. Thinking about trying a bulb with a thicker pin like the G6.35.
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:47 AM
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I had the same problem with different manufacturer's supplied lamps. I no longer use those cheap halogen lamps.
Try G4 Xenon lamps and get yourself a tube of NovaGard G624 Dielectric Silicone Compound for your sockets as some of the "pre-greased" never have an ample amount.
Since switching lamps I have had very very few failures.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:19 AM
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I had the same problem with different manufacturer's supplied lamps. I no longer use those cheap halogen lamps.
Try G4 Xenon lamps and get yourself a tube of NovaGard G624 Dielectric Silicone Compound for your sockets as some of the "pre-greased" never have an ample amount.
Since switching lamps I have had very very few failures.
Good Luck!
Which Brand G4 Xenon bulbs you use?
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:20 PM
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Yeah, Keith is right on with this. The cheapo's will just cause a service call for you. The Unique Astrobrites are the ones I use but are simply a xelogen or Xenon lamp. They are much more stable and will last a good 5,000-7,000 under proper voltage.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:20 PM
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Yeah, Keith is right on with this. The cheapo's will just cause a service call for you. The Unique Astrobrites are the ones I use but are simply a xelogen or Xenon lamp. They are much more stable and will last a good 5,000-7,000 under proper voltage.
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:09 AM
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Rainman,
You might have trouble going with a G6.35. Not only are the pins thicker, but they are further apart. The spacing between the pins is what makes the distinction between the two bases.

Might I suggest that you also give the Illumicare G4 19MM a try. We have designed this lamp with thicker pins, specifically to address similar problems that we have seen.

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Old 07-28-2012, 12:09 PM
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Rainman,
You might have trouble going with a G6.35. Not only are the pins thicker, but they are further apart. The spacing between the pins is what makes the distinction between the two bases.

Might I suggest that you also give the Illumicare G4 19MM a try. We have designed this lamp with thicker pins, specifically to address similar problems that we have seen.

Best of luck

John Higo
I agree. I have recently ordered and installed the Illumicare G4 LED's on a couple of projects and noticed the pins were thicker. I am expecting good results with this lamp. Time will tell.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:50 AM
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I 100% agree with James! This forum contains enough feed back and information on design flaws of the entire landscape lighting industry products from all of us designers / installers. Some take that information and have actually done something about it but others simply have not, leaving all these issues with the contractor / installers to figure out and pay for.
As usual most of the inferior products are supported by lower pricing and kick backs of overall quantities sold. What a great goal to push on designers"don't worry about the lighting design just sell more fixtures and we will compensate you with a present each year"
There is no reason for socket issues to have continued for this long. Another example of the quick race to the bottom and that's referring to the bottom line.

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Old 08-03-2012, 12:17 AM
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we heavily pregrease all the bulbs going into our Volt paths. we use a t3 10,000 hour xenon and have not had any issues. but we did used to use g6 halogen, and have rebulbed with the smaller pins of the t3 with no problems this year.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:52 AM
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For some reason my post didnt go through from my phone. But what I said was the bulbs are not burning out. There just seems to be a socket-bulb connection problem. If remove the bulb or move it side to side it will come back on and stay on...for a few more weeks then I can do that again. Thats why Im thinking of a thicker pin.

I recently did a complete lamp change out on a OLP installed job and noticed they use the 6.35 lamps and the socket looked the same as any other bi-pin socket.

My distributor used to order unique lights with bulbs and I never had problems with astro brites. But now they stock another HalXogen 10K hr bulb which seem better but have the same problem once in a while. For some reason they wont get astrobrites. Where can I get them?
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