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Old 09-24-2012, 09:49 AM
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True Brown burns an other one

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I had some people call me asking that I come look at their yard and tell them what was wrong or what they could do. I didn't exactly jump on it because it sounded like an other Tire Kicker. Finally after 3 calls I made it to their house because I was in that Neighborhood.

WOW What a mess. First there wasn't enough St Augustine left to save any of it. Got to admit it was a nice stand of Crab Grass. But the Biggie was the shrubs that were burned in the front where the TG/CL tech sprayed them but not the backs of the shrubs next to the house. This alone shows mismanagement or lack of professional care. Under law there is a STANDARD OF CARE that must be assured by a service provider.


Interesting thing was they had Before TG/CL Pictures of when they purchased the house 1 1/2 years ago. BTW the same time they hired TG/CL. I suggested they take after Pictures and Email both Before and After Pictures to TG/CL with a note they wanted their landscape replaced or they would be contacting a lawyer.

I heard by the Grape Vine TG/CL in my area is replacing an average of a lawn a week from mismanagement. I plan to follow up on this one just to see if TG/CL does anything. I want to seethem crash & burn

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:34 AM
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great company!

i thought i read an interview with the CEO somewhere about how they were having a problem with one of the products they were using for T/S, and the company making the product was supposed to be replacing alot of the customers trees and shrubs??

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I had some people call me asking that I come look at their yard and tell them what was wrong or what they could do. I didn't exactly jump on it because it sounded like an other Tire Kicker. Finally after 3 calls I made it to their house because I was in that Neighborhood.

WOW What a mess. First there wasn't enough St Augustine left to save any of it. Got to admit it was a nice stand of Crab Grass. But the Biggie was the shrubs that were burned in the front where the TG/CL tech sprayed them but not the backs of the shrubs next to the house. This alone shows mismanagement or lack of professional care. Under law there is a STANDARD OF CARE that must be assured by a service provider.


Interesting thing was they had Before TG/CL Pictures of when they purchased the house 1 1/2 years ago. BTW the same time they hired TG/CL. I suggested they take after Pictures and Email both Before and After Pictures to TG/CL with a note they wanted their landscape replaced or they would be contacting a lawyer.

I heard by the Grape Vine TG/CL in my area is replacing an average of a lawn a week from mismanagement. I plan to follow up on this one just to see if TG/CL does anything. I want to seethem crash & burn

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Old 09-24-2012, 02:04 PM
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Shrubs burned. Clarify this. Was it hot? Only the sunny part of the bush burned?

Do the bushes have symptoms of phenoxy herbicide? Did you get photos for us to see? How was the weed control? Were there any weeds in the bushes--and were they affected? Do the records show what product was used? Hand gun or ride-on equipment?

How come so much crabgrass?
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:47 PM
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Shrubs burned. Clarify this. Was it hot? Only the sunny part of the bush burned?

Do the bushes have symptoms of phenoxy herbicide? Did you get photos for us to see? How was the weed control? Were there any weeds in the bushes--and were they affected? Do the records show what product was used? Hand gun or ride-on equipment?

How come so much crabgrass?
Believe it or not Crab Grass lives more than a year in South Florida. Unless we get a hard freeze most of the Crab Grass survives. Water Front high dollar property has least chance of freezing. Also remember Crab Grass looks like St Augustine to the untrained eye.

The shrubs looked like a hot mix CONTACT pesticide was sprayed on the front of the plants. (ex: Dormant Oil) Which Pesticide it was I am not sure. Of Course the South side was burnt the most from Florida's sun. There was a defiant line of defoliation on the front of each plant, while the leaves on the back half were healthy. BTW These were fairly mature Shrubs which should stand more than a young plant. My take is the Guy just walked around the house waving his spray guy at the foundation of the house getting the shrubs.

OK I know you worked for TG ""Back When"" I respect your knowledge having read many if not all your post about Pesticides. But we are talking TODAY"S TG/CL. Here in my area they pay $8.25 an hour and a 5% bonus for production quota. I could go on but we have both seen the long list of complaints.

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Old 10-05-2012, 12:11 PM
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Believe it or not Crab Grass lives more than a year in South Florida. Unless we get a hard freeze most of the Crab Grass survives. Water Front high dollar property has least chance of freezing. Also remember Crab Grass looks like St Augustine to the untrained eye.

The shrubs looked like a hot mix CONTACT pesticide was sprayed on the front of the plants. (ex: Dormant Oil) Which Pesticide it was I am not sure. Of Course the South side was burnt the most from Florida's sun. There was a defiant line of defoliation on the front of each plant, while the leaves on the back half were healthy. BTW These were fairly mature Shrubs which should stand more than a young plant. My take is the Guy just walked around the house waving his spray guy at the foundation of the house getting the shrubs.

OK I know you worked for TG ""Back When"" I respect your knowledge having read many if not all your post about Pesticides. But we are talking TODAY"S TG/CL. Here in my area they pay $8.25 an hour and a 5% bonus for production quota. I could go on but we have both seen the long list of complaints.

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I just got a call from this TG/CL Customer. The TG/CL guy just left her house saying it was Too much rain that caused her plants to Die in Front and still be green on the backside. I wished I had been there to tear him a new One.

She also told me she Googled TG/CL and found all kinds of bad press on line. She claims she never would of hired them if she read the Internet first.

The Customer has shrub replacement Quotes but is still not sure if the Hassle of going after TG/CL in court is worth the effort. I did tell her I never go after my dead beats in court because the Time & Cost wasn't worth it. However get me mad enough and I will spend more than it is worth just to make my point. I also told her companies like True Brown depend on people not suiting. As much as I would love to see her sue True Brown, It is less stressful to walk away. It will alway stick in her mind that TG/CL screwed up her yard.

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Old 10-05-2012, 06:16 PM
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I just got a call from this TG/CL Customer. The TG/CL guy just left her house saying it was Too much rain that caused her plants to Die in Front and still be green on the backside. I wished I had been there to tear him a new One.

She also told me she Googled TG/CL and found all kinds of bad press on line. She claims she never would of hired them if she read the Internet first.

The Customer has shrub replacement Quotes but is still not sure if the Hassle of going after TG/CL in court is worth the effort. I did tell her I never go after my dead beats in court because the Time & Cost wasn't worth it. However get me mad enough and I will spend more than it is worth just to make my point. I also told her companies like True Brown depend on people not suiting. As much as I would love to see her sue True Brown, It is less stressful to walk away. It will alway stick in her mind that TG/CL screwed up her yard.

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LMFAO.... ric it was a good thing i wasnt there also or it wasnt my house bc i would have told the guy bull **** also.. what to much rain in fla is there such a thing.. i know this rainy season has been bad but made her shrubs turn brown??? i am no pro but i would've told the guy bs what else you got...

if it was me i would want a statement from TG/CL saying that after i got that i would call them and get ahold of the highest person i could then tell that person i was going to call 5 other lawn compaines in town and have those 5 write up what is wrong with those shrubs then i will see you in court.. i will almost bet they wont go to court...
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:25 PM
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LMFAO.... ric it was a good thing i wasnt there also or it wasnt my house bc i would have told the guy bull **** also.. what to much rain in fla is there such a thing.. i know this rainy season has been bad but made her shrubs turn brown??? i am no pro but i would've told the guy bs what else you got...

if it was me i would want a statement from TG/CL saying that after i got that i would call them and get ahold of the highest person i could then tell that person i was going to call 5 other lawn compaines in town and have those 5 write up what is wrong with those shrubs then i will see you in court.. i will almost bet they wont go to court...
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True Brown gets away with this crap because it is too much of a hassle to sue them. Couple years ago I had a thing out side of my business where Myself and another person were cheated out of some Money. We looked into doing a "Pro Se" small claims court law suit. The filing fee was $ 225.00. Now add in a time factor and lost wages etc etc. In our case we only had our word as Proof and the party in question was a well known lier. So who was the Judge to believe.

The Customer is going to think about suing True Brown, But I believe she is just going to eat the loss.

Last spring I paid to have 4 pallet of Zoysia replaced. I never felt it was my fault, but I had it replaced to keep the Peace. Today I drove past the house after all the rain we have had this year (Pouring Rain Right Now). The total lawn was Browner than the Turf I paid to have replaced. Sometimes You get the Bear and other times the Bear gets you. Life is too short to let is get to you. .... In Edit The Customer fired me right after a had the Zoysia Replaced.

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Old 09-24-2012, 06:09 PM
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You are probably right, Ric.
But I need to post some pictures of what happened to arbor vitae trees in my neighborhood during the big midsummer drought. In many cases the sunny side of the tree is completely brown.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:34 PM
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You are probably right, Ric.
But I need to post some pictures of what happened to arbor vitae trees in my neighborhood during the big midsummer drought. In many cases the sunny side of the tree is completely brown.



Lots of dead arbs around here. What I find interesting is in a row of 30 or so, two died right next to each other but the rest lived. See that everywhere.
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You are probably right, Ric.
But I need to post some pictures of what happened to arbor vitae trees in my neighborhood during the big midsummer drought. In many cases the sunny side of the tree is completely brown.
Florida has had a record rain fall this year so burning plant is even harder. The bottom line is unqualified people doing work they have no understanding of.

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