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Old 10-01-2012, 01:50 PM
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Sub-contracting question

Here is the question, I had one of my clients refer me to a new potential client. I show up at the house and it needs a lot done. I know I cant do the job on my own so I give a buddy of mine who owns a bigger company who can handle jobs like this.

We show up the guy wants alot more done than I first thought, the estimate my buddy came up with was about 15k on the low end, might be around 20k in the end.

the job consists of putting up a new wooden fence, irrigation system, tilling the ivy because its covering most of the grass, cutting down some new growth trees about 12 of them 6" in diameter (because it is show shaded by the amount of trees it would be almost impossible to grow anything), laying down top soil to level the ground and seeding, ripping out thorn bush and replacing it with something that is low maintenance.



we would be having 2 different companies do the fence and irrigation that my buddy has dealt with before

The job will be started after winter probably early spring is what we are trying to shoot for

I will be helping on this job with labor, what would be a reasonable commission for me? the job should take around 3 full days

I have never sub contracted before so I was just trying to get an idea of what I should be getting
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:22 PM
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Who gave the estimated time of 3days to complete? I just see all that work being done in such a short amount of time. Who is the main contractor on the job, you or yur buddy?
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:30 PM
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Who gave the estimated time of 3days to complete? I just see all that work being done in such a short amount of time. Who is the main contractor on the job, you or yur buddy?
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I agree, tree guys tripping over sprinkler guys and install crews. 3 days is a tight timeline and you always have to remember weather in the equation. I would tell the customer 5 days barring weather or other things beyond your control at least this gives you a buffer. Make sure you have all insurance info on the subs so if something goes wrong you aren't the one holding the bag.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:37 PM
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I agree, tree guys tripping over sprinkler guys and install crews. 3 days is a tight timeline and you always have to remember weather in the equation. I would tell the customer 5 days barring weather or other things beyond your control at least this gives you a buffer. Make sure you have all insurance info on the subs so if something goes wrong you aren't the one holding the bag.
My buddy estimated it about 3 full days of work, I think this is just because he was not 100% sure the guy wants the fence right away. We didnt give the client a set number of days it would take this is just what he told me, my buddy is trying to get all the pricing done this week and than we will be back in touch with him.



I am really only legal to do maintenance so I know I wouldnt be able to take on the job by my self. So it would be under him as he is certified to handle landscape design jobs, I will ask him to show me his insurance and the 2 other contractors... So would this not be considered sub contracting? I want to get some money but what is fair? and How would I go about that so if something happens my insurance is not involved? any help is appreciated
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:42 PM
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My buddy estimated it about 3 full days of work, I think this is just because he was not 100% sure the guy wants the fence right away. We didnt give the client a set number of days it would take this is just what he told me, my buddy is trying to get all the pricing done this week and than we will be back in touch with him.



I am really only legal to do maintenance so I know I wouldnt be able to take on the job by my self. So it would be under him as he is certified to handle landscape design jobs, I will ask him to show me his insurance and the 2 other contractors... So would this not be considered sub contracting? I want to get some money but what is fair? and How would I go about that so if something happens my insurance is not involved? any help is appreciated
If the job is under you buddy then you need to give him insurance papers. In all honesty. The best way to deal with this is take a percentage of the job and hand it over to your buddy. This way you get money for finding the work and he gets to run the show using his experience, learn what you can from him on this job so the next time you can tackle it yourself.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:48 PM
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If the job is under you buddy then you need to give him insurance papers. In all honesty. The best way to deal with this is take a percentage of the job and hand it over to your buddy. This way you get money for finding the work and he gets to run the show using his experience, learn what you can from him on this job so the next time you can tackle it yourself.
Okay that sounds best, I'll basically just take my company out of the equation... but what would be a good and fair percentage? and Do you think I should ask to work the job under him to learn and get some experience, I have helped him out multiple times on jobs but I would want to be paid for the labor plus my % ... is asking him to pay me for labor and asking for a % too much?

thanks for the feedback.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:42 PM
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5 percent off the top or 25 percent of the margin
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Old 10-01-2012, 09:58 PM
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You don't think 5% is too much?


2.5 % off the top is what I was gonna throw his way. but this is my first time thats why I'm here lol
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:08 PM
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You don't think 5% is too much?


2.5 % off the top is what I was gonna throw his way. but this is my first time thats why I'm here lol
I guess I am worth more than you.

P.S. FWIW in the future work this out ahead of time. He may be thinking he just owes you a favor or he may be thinking he should give you 10%. Without working this out in advance one of you will almost always be disappointed. Since it is his contract...he probably won't be the one disappointed.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:48 PM
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I guess I am worth more than you.

P.S. FWIW in the future work this out ahead of time. He may be thinking he just owes you a favor or he may be thinking he should give you 10%. Without working this out in advance one of you will almost always be disappointed. Since it is his contract...he probably won't be the one disappointed.
Well we still have some time , the guy is most likely going to get 2 more estimates so nothing is set in stone, I will be having a talk with my buddy sometime this week. I wouldnt mind taking 2.5%, you might be in a different situation so I could understand if you want more.

We will see when I sit down with him

but thanks for the feedback
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