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Old 03-01-2013, 07:55 PM
michiganmower10 michiganmower10 is offline
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Starting up for 2013

Well time has come and i need to finally go full time on my own, working for others is done haha ill never make it over the rank of foremen. Ive done it on the side for years and looking for imput how to expand myself, my situation is a little different this year for quite a few reasons. To start off im in a halfway developed area, mid to large residential and same for commercial, i do about a dozen accounts on my own. My father who is getting older has brought up the idea about passing his also small operation but bigger then mine down to me. Difference is his accounts are about 45 minutes away and are more small city houses and small commercial. That being said i dont know which way to go, i dont have enough money to buy a huge fleet of mowers to handle both companys, so the question comes what should i expand, my fathers existing company or my own, i feel since hes being doing it for 20 years that he is much more established and before he downsized was of considerable size. I dont feel i will get rid of any accounts i just wonder should i expand in my area or his. At the moment i only have a 48" walk behind and not a whole lot more to play with. Ive always used cash so it would be hard to get any type of loan. So kinda of in a hard place, if anybody can give some advice or direction to this mess it would be appreciated.
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:59 PM
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Why not do both? divide up your week, first half of the week at your place, then Wednesday or Thursday, head down to the fathers place and do his. If its only a 45 minute drive then it will be well worth your time. Are you able to get all of his knocked out in one day?? or would it take you 2 or 3 days??
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Old 03-01-2013, 08:15 PM
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the issues is the mowers i have at my disposal, near me its okay to run a little mower for just a few houses but with the size of propertys other companys do circles around me with 60s, around him a 48 and a push mower gets **** done, his accounts would take about a day and a half, mine take a day or day and a half, im just kind of in the middle because a 36" would help for accounts by him but a 60" would help on houses by me, on top of all of that my truck looks like **** and id like to try and explore my options with that.
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:42 AM
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the issues is the mowers i have at my disposal, near me its okay to run a little mower for just a few houses but with the size of propertys other companys do circles around me with 60s, around him a 48 and a push mower gets **** done, his accounts would take about a day and a half, mine take a day or day and a half, im just kind of in the middle because a 36" would help for accounts by him but a 60" would help on houses by me, on top of all of that my truck looks like **** and id like to try and explore my options with that.
What about your dads mowers? If he was going to pass the operation on to you would that also include his equipment as well? Im sure you could run both operations. Maybe you can hire a part timer or something to help with the labor!
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:47 PM
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:36 PM
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yep...id do both. Combine whatever equipment you and your dad have if possible, and run with that. It might not be the best set up, but you can raise cash in the meantime to purchase the equipment you will need. As you work those properties you will learn what your next purchase will need to be instead of having to guess. Also, but keeping both areas I agree with the others about picking up customers in between the two areas.

its a great opportunity in my opinion.
good luck
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:39 AM
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If you can get everything done in 3 days I think it sounds like a great opportunity to do exactly what you hope to do, go full time for yourself. Your dad’s established reputation is valuable, and it looks like a natural step for his son to take over. I second SIRKY, he probably kept his best accounts and may be willing to “sell” for you to get some of the “downsized” properties back. I also think jsroda gave you some great advice, Craigslist can a great way to get equipment. There is a good chance you could find a whole set up at a great price. It would be great if you could make it through the year with your current truck, but watch the repairs and down time. If it is spending 2 or 3 days a month in the shop, it may be worth borrowing for a decent used truck.

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Old 03-01-2013, 08:24 PM
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hmmm, that is a curve ball. My personal opinion would be to try and do both for now. This way you can make twice as much money. Yes you will be less productive on your end due to the smaller mower but making up for it by doing your dads properties. Then you can upgrade to a bigger mower with a larger deck once youve made a little cash. They say you have to spend money to make it. (check craigslist twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening, I drove almost 3 hours to pick up my walker mower, but it only had 500 hours and I got it for cheap) Start there and see what happens, you will never know till you try. If you dont you will always have that doubt in your mind saying what if I chose the other set of yards. This way you get to work both sites and see which one is suited best to your needs.
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:56 PM
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I would definitely do both cause you said your dad downsized which means he probably kept his best clients and good solid paying clients sometimes aint all that easy. Especially if your gonna be a smaller operation and you gotta have that money, and dont wanna chase it around. Good luck on whatever your decisions are.
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:28 PM
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There is no problem.

You use your dads equipment M T W on his accounts

You use your equipment on your accounts T F S.

So you drive 45 minutes to do dads route. Once you get there they are all close.

You have the ability to not only build up both routes but areas in between as well. With good luck and hard work you will have enough business to expand to a two truck route.

Do you and your dad work solo?

Team up and you will knock out both routes in half the current time then solo. Then more time will be open to add more customers.
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