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Old 03-21-2013, 10:28 PM
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19.7 Acre Commercial Account. Whats Your Price?

Never though I'd do this, but I am just curious to see how my numbers compare to someone else's. Obviously rates vary from state to state, and region.

-My production rate for our 60" Exmark Lazer Z X series is right around 2 acres/ hour

-Production rate for our 60" Exmark Turf Tracer X Series is right around 1.5 acres/ hour

I have always been very confident in our pricing, and bidding systems, but this one just seems different.

19.7 Acres
Site is flat inside of the fenced in area, and has a large mound along the entire front of the property. Slight slope, nothing a zero turn couldn't handle.

What do you think?
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:48 PM
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My price on this project (site unseen) would be around $1,000. It is hard to tell in the arial pictures how much trimming there is to do, so it actually might be more than $1,000.
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:24 AM
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I was just thinking that myself, I wouldn't go over 2 and they're going to call us lowballers but we're pricing $32.91 a man hour running 2.903 - 4.798% profit margins.
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:56 AM
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Exactly, to secure these large commercial contracts its seems you have to operate as a "lean bare bones EFFICIENT " business. We run brand new machines, brand new trucks, uniformed employees, but at the end of the year our profit is around 6-10%. Which I am very happy with, considering its part of my model to have all new, fleet maintained equipment.

Back to the $50 per machine/ man hour. Let me know when you win a 20 acre commercial at that rate. If you do, that business won't be in business much longer or they need to fire the person sending out the RFP's lol.
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You realize you're talking to a solo small operation right? He's throwing numbers out just to do it.

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I was just thinking that myself, I wouldn't go over 2 and they're going to call us lowballers but we're pricing $32.91 a man hour running 2.903 - 4.798% profit margins.
We all know you're tossing out BS. Just stick with true factual info.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:58 AM
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I'd say in the $650 range. If you're going for open area commercials I'd try a 72. We went from a 54 to a 72 and you can't believe the difference in production at the end of the week.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:53 PM
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I believe that one laborer could complete the string trimming in about 4 hours. its all asphalt, minimal edging, and very little obstacles. However their is a chain link fence bordering the entire property.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:12 PM
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I usually charge about $50 per acre on properties like these. So, based that there is only 4 hours of trimming I would still probably charge about $1,000. Commercial properties can be extremely competitive so that price may not be acceptable to them. If I was bidding on it, I would try to find ways I could save time and maybe come down on the price a little. I don't advise you to base your price off my price because we are in different regions but maybe it will give you a jumping off point.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:45 PM
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these properties around here are usually so competitive..... a school I have been bidding on for 3 years has been contracted at $435 per week including 21 acres and about 5 hours of trimming. but they allow glyphosate applications on all fencelines.

I was thinking we could still be profitable around $700, but its hard to say.

heres where im at:
19.7 acres
858,000 SF

858,000SF of turf / 87,000 SF per 60" mower hour= 9.86 hours mowing
Trimming = 4 man hours
Blowing = 1 Man Hour
Drive Time= 25 minutes each way = 1 hour

10+4+1+1 =16 man hours

16 man hours x $35 per man hour = $560.00 !!

this is what screw me up, it looks like it SHOULD be around $700 - $1,000 per cut
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these properties around here are usually so competitive..... a school I have been bidding on for 3 years has been contracted at $435 per week including 21 acres and about 5 hours of trimming. but they allow glyphosate applications on all fencelines.

I was thinking we could still be profitable around $700, but its hard to say.

heres where im at:
19.7 acres
858,000 SF

858,000SF of turf / 87,000 SF per 60" mower hour= 9.86 hours mowing
Trimming = 4 man hours
Blowing = 1 Man Hour
Drive Time= 25 minutes each way = 1 hour

10+4+1+1 =16 man hours

16 man hours x $35 per man hour = $560.00 !!

this is what screw me up, it looks like it SHOULD be around $700 - $1,000 per cut
I was going say around 600 with 8 man hrs with my set up in my area
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:52 PM
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I think I'd pass on this one.
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