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Old 08-29-2013, 11:17 PM
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Lets talk mini excavators from 2.7- 6 ton.

Things seem to be changing some in the way OEMs are marketing these machines.

I am curious what you guys think about the current market machine weights, tail swings and horsepower in the 2.7 – 5.5 ton weight range. I know the 3.5 sized machine is the most popular but every OEM seems to have a different philosophy in what other machines they offer around that machine. What is driving this? I would like to know your guys’ opinion on who has the best line-up and why?

Here is what I discovered with the Wacker Neuson 38Z3. It’s slightly heavier than a typical 3.5 ton machine but it had excellent reach. I enjoyed easily towing it, as opposed to my TB153 which is just over 13K lbs as spec’d. Are you guys buying certain machines based on transport weight to avoid the CDL requirements or is it certain performance abilities with the machines?

Here is what I would see as an ideal mini-ex OEM line-up: 2.7 ton zero tail, 3.5 ton conventional tail, 3.5 zero tail, 4.3 ton conventional tail and a 5.5 ton zero tail. What do you guys think about this and why? For instance, one thing I do not understand is why both Kubota and Bobcat offer 3.2 ton conventional tail excavator. Why not just make this machine 3.5 ton?”

I am not a real fan of a conventional tail mini ex but they still seem to sell, so others must see value in them. I am curious what some of the different views on this are. It used to be pretty straight forward. The sizes were 27, 35 , and 50. Times have changed, I am curious what the driver is.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:27 AM
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Conventional tail swing machines do not need too weigh as much as a zero tail swing machine in the same class size which leads too better performance with less weight. Take the Tak tb250 machine. It has virtually the same performance as the tb 153 yet weighs 2000 pounds less. The machine with the most promise in the 6 ton class is the new TB260. It looks like they took a KX161 and copied it which is a bonus since Kubota really screwed up with the KX057. I agree on the smaller min ex machines there is no need for a conv tail swing but in the 5 ton class I do thing it is a good option.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:32 AM
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How did Kubota screw up the kx057? I have 775 trouble free hours on mine and love it. The only thing I don't like is bucket rotation
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:33 AM
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How did Kubota screw up the kx057? I have 775 trouble free hours on mine and love it. The only thing I don't like is bucket rotation
Has too much tail swing compared too the kx161
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:14 AM
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Has too much tail swing compared too the kx161
That's why you go with the u55. 800 hours on mine and I like it much more then the 50d I had. The 57 only has like 4 or 5 inches of overhang doesn't it?
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:16 AM
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That's why you go with the u55. 800 hours on mine and I like it much more then the 50d I had. The 57 only has like 4 or 5 inches of overhang doesn't it?
Yes the U55 is a nice machine. The KX161 was a reduced tail swing with not much overhang. The KX057 has way more overhang than a KX161. I think there is a need for an in between style tail swing which really helps on counterbalanceing the machine with heavy loads at full reach in this weight class.
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:18 PM
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Talked too my salesman today and he should be getting a TB260 soon. They are already at Pendegrass and he has already seen one. Looks like Tak may have hit a homerun with this machine.

http://www.takeuchi-us.com/downloads...08_14_2013.pdf
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:16 AM
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I know this doesn't really fit with the original size of machines but I really would like to see something reduced tail swing or zero between 8 and 13-14 tonne
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:48 PM
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For me it is a weight issue. I have Bobcat 335 with thumb and angle blade and A/C. It's just shy of 10k without an operator.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to upgrade to a CDL soon but that means bigger truck and heavier trailer and then I'd be in the market for the strongest and heaviest mini I could still use in the tight locations I work in. I like having a 12' dig depth and 17' reach but this almost 5 ton machine feels tippy.

I'd like to see more hp crammed into the smaller machines like I have, too.
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:42 PM
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Shane,

Just like you I had my eyes on the 153 as I had a u35 Kubota I sold and wanted a little more machine but the weight of the machine stopped me dead in my tracks. If I had my CDL with a trailer to tow it would had owned it in a heart beat but I decided on the 138FR which I am glad I did, bit smaller keeps me under weight, great reach and the best part, finally a mini that I can use the foot controls in. Prior I had a U35 kubota and 35D Deere both not enough room to comfortably run the for controls. Just seems like for a mini 3.5 is best of both worlds, is small enough to fit a lot of places but big enough to be fairly efficient at many tasks.
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