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Old 09-13-2013, 09:30 PM
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Let's get those FACEBOOK LIKES ROLLING part 2

Hey we have had such a great success with this in the past let's help each other out by liking each others page on facebook hopefully we can get a few hundred likes on our pages by liking each other. Here's my face book page like it and I will like you back and everybody who sees this thread should like the facebook pages that get added .
Let's start a chain reaction!!

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Old 09-13-2013, 09:55 PM
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:27 PM
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Hey we have had such a great success with this in the past let's help each other out by liking each others page on facebook
Would you mind explaining what "such a great success" actually means or give an example how LCO's liking you Page has helped you?
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hopefully we can get a few hundred likes on our pages by liking each other.
I'll cover this again, as I did several times in the previous thread. In simple math terms, let's say you have 100, legitimate Likes from your local customer pool. At the absolute best, 16 of those will ever see your message. This is how FB disseminates the status updates from Pages. 16% is the best case scenario. 1%-16% is the reality. If it weren't, Facebook wouldn't be able to sell sponsored posts.

Now, let's say you have a "few hundred likes" on your page via Lawnsiters. We'll make that number 400. If you add your 100, legitimate, local Likes from customers, or potential customers, that's 500 total Likes. What happens to that best case 16%? The answer is "severe dilution". Instead of 100, pure targets, you have now diluted your customer pool with 400 other guys who provide the same service you do.
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What you're suggesting is nothing more than a chain reaction to severely dilute your marketing by wasting it on an LCO who won't ever spend a dime on your business.

This is absolutely a situation where quantity does not outweigh quality. Now, if you want it for purely vanity purposes, knock yourselves out by artificially inflating your Like count, but just be aware that it's going to do you more harm than good. People just choose not to recognize this fact.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:53 PM
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Would you mind explaining what "such a great success" actually means or give an example how LCO's liking you Page has helped you?

I'll cover this again, as I did several times in the previous thread. In simple math terms, let's say you have 100, legitimate Likes from your local customer pool. At the absolute best, 16 of those will ever see your message. This is how FB disseminates the status updates from Pages. 16% is the best case scenario. 1%-16% is the reality. If it weren't, Facebook wouldn't be able to sell sponsored posts.

Now, let's say you have a "few hundred likes" on your page via Lawnsiters. We'll make that number 400. If you add your 100, legitimate, local Likes from customers, or potential customers, that's 500 total Likes. What happens to that best case 16%? The answer is "severe dilution". Instead of 100, pure targets, you have now diluted your customer pool with 400 other guys who provide the same service you do.

What you're suggesting is nothing more than a chain reaction to severely dilute your marketing by wasting it on an LCO who won't ever spend a dime on your business.

This is absolutely a situation where quantity does not outweigh quality. Now, if you want it for purely vanity purposes, knock yourselves out by artificially inflating your Like count, but just be aware that it's going to do you more harm than good. People just choose not to recognize this fact.

Um.......wow! That's a lot of info there Tony. How about some of your sites you have worked on so we can see an example of quality. You know a lot so I think it would help some of us out.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:55 PM
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Tony is spot on. Social media should be viewed through the same lens as all your other marketing efforts. At the end of the day, all that matters is return on your investment regardless of marketing channel. Remember that your time is an investment just like cash, but obviously if your schedule isn't slammed with work you can spend more time on your marketing efforts while hopefully saving a few bucks.

Just my two cents.
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Old 09-14-2013, 01:59 AM
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Really. Wake up. Social media for a service business is a waste of time.

http://www.businessesgrow.com/2011/1...-one-sentence/
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:25 AM
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Really. Wake up. Social media for a service business is a waste of time.

http://www.businessesgrow.com/2011/1...-one-sentence/
Based on the article you linked to, I don't think so.

"Companies that provide humorous, entertaining,interactive, news-worthy, interesting, and/or educational content." - I use an RSS reader to pull together blog posts and articles, and I use Tumblr for the same thing. If I don't have anything to post that day I look for an interesting headline in my feeds. Investment of time? <5 min

"Beloved brands that have passionate “fans” outside of social media like Coca-Cola, BMW, universities, charities, sports teams, or the neighborhood pizza joint." - you're never going to have rabid fans like Coke. But I see a lot of guys sponsoring and coaching sports teams and doing other community stuff. Your FB page could reinforce that and drive engagement. If you're in the community you have fans.

"Brands that allow you some exclusive access, deal, discount, contest, or benefit from being on Facebook." - FB just relaxed their rules on contests so that you no longer need to use a third party app for paid contests. Why not run a contest then?

"Companies that interact with you in a unique and personal way." - does your brand have a personality?

I 100% agree that if you don't have the time to manage your page you're wasting your time. But I think it's short-sighted to dismiss FB as useless. There are a handful of guys on Lawnsite who are using their lawncare FB pages very effectively.

Oh, and Tony's spot on. Again. Eventually someone will listen to him.
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:12 AM
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Oh, and Tony's spot on. Again. Eventually someone will listen to him.
Yeah. I would like to see some of his work though; websites that he has built. I would be great to see that and learn from it.

How about it Tony?
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:50 AM
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Yeah. I would like to see some of his work though; websites that he has built. I would be great to see that and learn from it.
How about it Tony?
I would hazard a guess and say that you've seen my work. I'm happy to help people on here with their sites/marketing, as that accounts for the vast majority of my posts, but I view it similar to people asking others for their estimate forms. We all have our own IP that we invest in and should protect.

In terms of the LCO world, I have a very large footprint, and since I have no idea if you're a competitor or not (you indicate no location or web site, yourself), there's really no reason to give the final 1%. lol My attorney can confirm that I do keep him busy enough with cease and desists, which amuses me. I sweep for duplicate content of all my sites on a weekly basis. Two site designs, and their content, have been "repurposed" multiple times, lawnsiters included (I have a guess they weren't aware they were my sites). If you need advice or directional questions re: your site, feel free to pop in to the web sub forum. We try to help as much as we can in there.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:45 AM
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I would hazard a guess and say that you've seen my work. I'm happy to help people on here with their sites/marketing, as that accounts for the vast majority of my posts, but I view it similar to people asking others for their estimate forms. We all have our own IP that we invest in and should protect.

In terms of the LCO world, I have a very large footprint, and since I have no idea if you're a competitor or not (you indicate no location or web site, yourself), there's really no reason to give the final 1%. lol My attorney can confirm that I do keep him busy enough with cease and desists, which amuses me. I sweep for duplicate content of all my sites on a weekly basis. Two site designs, and their content, have been "repurposed" multiple times, lawnsiters included (I have a guess they weren't aware they were my sites). If you need advice or directional questions re: your site, feel free to pop in to the web sub forum. We try to help as much as we can in there.
Tony,

I'm new to reading your posts and am not in the LCO business at all but do have some LCOs as clients. So I don't have a dog in the hunt, but I don't understand why you're not willing to provide some sort of proof to those looking to build trust with you.

Are you just not interested in gaining clients from your time on Lawnsite?Does it just come down to being afraid that folks will steal your web copy? I guess I don't understand what you'd have to lose... If your sites are ranking for organic searches (which I'm 100% sure they are based on everything I've read from you), don't you think people could just steal ideas that way?

Just genuinely curious, not trying to start a fuss...
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