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Old 09-15-2013, 11:46 AM
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heavy equipment trailers(i.e. skid steers/mini ex) questions

Hey guys, I just got one quick question. If I buy a trailer with a gvwr of 14k for example, with a payload of 10500, can i put a machine that weighs around 11500 or something similar because of tongue weight? like when my trailer gets scaled, since some of the weight is on the tongue does that weight not matter for the trailer gvwr or scaling?

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Old 09-15-2013, 01:46 PM
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heavy equipment trailers(i.e. skid steers/mini ex) questions

Do you think it's safe to overload the trailer by a thousand pounds?
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:53 PM
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would i be? based on how loading a trailer works you want 15% of the weight on the tongue, which in the long run gets transfered to the trucks weight/gvwr. so in the long run if the trailers gvwr is 14k and my load weight plus the trailer weight by itself is 15k, i should have around 2,250lbs of weight on the tongue which will be transfered to truck making the actual weight on trailer axles 12750lbs. so if i were to go over scales the trailers gvwr is 14k based on axles, and the only weight on the axles is 12750.

I understand what you are saying, but based on how dot and scales work, i think this is logical. i am looking for advice from guys who hual equipment around day in and day out, and deal with the dot and scales.
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:13 PM
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would i be? based on how loading a trailer works you want 15% of the weight on the tongue, which in the long run gets transfered to the trucks weight/gvwr. so in the long run if the trailers gvwr is 14k and my load weight plus the trailer weight by itself is 15k, i should have around 2,250lbs of weight on the tongue which will be transfered to truck making the actual weight on trailer axles 12750lbs. so if i were to go over scales the trailers gvwr is 14k based on axles, and the only weight on the axles is 12750.

I understand what you are saying, but based on how dot and scales work, i think this is logical. i am looking for advice from guys who hual equipment around day in and day out, and deal with the dot and scales.
This is correct as long as the truck can handle that much vertical load on the hitch.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:36 PM
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The other thing to remember is the GVWR of the tow rig. Are you pulling this with a SRW 1 ton? I think this is the only way you would be legal with the transfer of weight to the truck and that depends on a few variables. If the truck is over 10k GVWR (1 ton DRW) the combo will put you into CDL land.
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i am gonna be towing with a 9200gvw truck that weighs around 7300 i believe with a full tank of fuel and me inside. that leaves me about 1900 tongue weight which is good for the largest machine i am looking at hauling which is 10500.
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Old 09-16-2013, 10:19 PM
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i am gonna be towing with a 9200gvw truck that weighs around 7300 i believe with a full tank of fuel and me inside. that leaves me about 1900 tongue weight which is good for the largest machine i am looking at hauling which is 10500.
I somehow doubt that you will be able to make that setup legal, not saying it can't be done, but that it would be very hard. I think you'll have issues making your rear axle weight on the truck work, perhaps not but probably hard. also consider that your going to be putting your rear truck tires just about to the max. I'll say that here is the flawed rule of thumb that I go by, don't exceed the total rated gvw of the combination (14000+9200 = 23200 in your case) , nor any single axle (as previously stated pay special attention to your rear truck axle).
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:40 PM
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It sounds like you will be fine for weight...you will need to balance the load precisely though. We used to haul at the GVW loads of our 14k lowbow trailer. Our big skid steer is 11,500- 12K. it was tough to balance depending on the attachment and we had alot of blow outs. We went to a 25k gooseneck and solved the problem but now have to maintain DOT and CDLs
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:28 PM
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heavy equipment trailers(i.e. skid steers/mini ex) questions

I guess I read it to fast, I didn't notice it was rated to 14k. I just saw 10500 &11500. Don't hate me, I just a grass cutter.
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yeah i figured by the sig. hahaha
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