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Old 01-06-2014, 12:09 AM
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22hp Kaw vs 27hp Kohler

In the market for a 52" Scag Tiger Cat. The two engine options are
Kawasaki 691fx (22 hp)
or
Kohler Command Pro 27hp

I have owned 2 models with the kohler and have been pleased, but did replace one engine at 1450hrs.

Anyone think that the 22hp Kawasaki will be too small, not have enough behind it? After much research it seems that the Kawasaki is the preferred brand over Kohler, but I'm worried about the 5hp difference.

Thanks for any advice.

So here we go, Kawasaki vs. Kohler.

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Old 05-08-2014, 06:29 PM
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... probably too late to answer this but... just in case it comes up in a search...

Kawasaki is using the new standard to rate its engines. I do not think Kholer has yet to start using them. This will result in them being almost the same rating. Typically Kawaski's dropped 3-4 HP when they started using the newer more accurate in real world methodology. But kudo's to them for doing so. But apples to apples your probably closer than you think.
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:50 PM
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... probably too late to answer this but... just in case it comes up in a search...

Kawasaki is using the new standard to rate its engines. I do not think Kholer has yet to start using them. This will result in them being almost the same rating. Typically Kawaski's dropped 3-4 HP when they started using the newer more accurate in real world methodology. But kudo's to them for doing so. But apples to apples your probably closer than you think.
Kawasaki's - Japanese Quality Made

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Old 05-09-2014, 09:29 PM
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Obviously, you didn't research your statement, before making it. Nor, have you worked in a capacity involving small engines.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:34 PM
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I've been chatting with a guy on another forum the last few days. he has a machine with the Kohler Courage engine. That one is chinese made, and his says so right on it, but the Command series are not. I am not a big fan of Kohler these days, but fair is fair, and honest is honest.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:50 PM
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I've been chatting with a guy on another forum the last few days. he has a machine with the Kohler Courage engine. That one is chinese made, and his says so right on it, but the Command series are not. I am not a big fan of Kohler these days, but fair is fair, and honest is honest.
Yeah, I think if one were around a shop, everyday, one would see something wrong with all of 'em. In the powersports industry, I saw a lot of Kawasaki issues with their Mules and ATVs. BMW's sportbike engines are Chinese-made and are fantastic powerplants. They reliably put out 190hp from 1000cc capacity. There are far too many variables involved to base anything simply on a nameplate or country of manufacture.
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Old 05-09-2014, 10:02 PM
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I've been chatting with a guy on another forum the last few days. he has a machine with the Kohler Courage engine. That one is chinese made, and his says so right on it, but the Command series are not. I am not a big fan of Kohler these days, but fair is fair, and honest is honest.
China must make quite a few good products, Americans seem to love what is sold showing their label, "Made in China."
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In the market for a 52" Scag Tiger Cat. The two engine options are
Kawasaki 691fx (22 hp)
or
Kohler Command Pro 27hp

I have owned 2 models with the kohler and have been pleased, but did replace one engine at 1450hrs.

Anyone think that the 22hp Kawasaki will be too small, not have enough behind it? After much research it seems that the Kawasaki is the preferred brand over Kohler, but I'm worried about the 5hp difference.

Thanks for any advice.


So here we go, Kawasaki vs. Kohler.

Let er rip


Stay with the 27 Kohler it will provide more usable power, and you've already said you were happy with your past Kohler engines.
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:25 PM
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There is only about a 2 hp difference in those two engines when rated under the same system. I'll take a Kawi over a Kohler any day if they are both carbed.
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Old 05-09-2014, 06:59 AM
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There is only about a 2 hp difference in those two engines when rated under the same system. I'll take a Kawi over a Kohler any day if they are both carbed.
Just remember how as of 2014 the rating system was changed..."In the past the standard permits the advertised rated value (the label on the engine) to be 85% of the test values.” For example, on an engine labeled 19 hp, the actual horsepower of the engine could be anywhere from 16 to 19 hp. Under the new revision to SAE J1940 the actual horsepower listed on the motor will be at least 95% of the actual, tested horsepower. In other words, an engine labeled as 19 hp will actually produce 18-19 hp at a certain rpm."

Even under the "old" J1940 rating standard, yes they were allowed 15% which in reality could bring the stamped Kohler 27 down into the 23 hp range legally, but that by no means proves it is only 23 hp. The 27 hp Kohler could in actuality be a 24, 25, or 26 hp engine, just because it states an allowable 15%; this does not mean that percentage is actually met.

Besides that, I've operated both carburetored engines on the same mower and the the 27 hp Kohler would out perform the Kawasaki by a considerable amount.
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