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Old 05-15-2014, 08:19 AM
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Dormant Seeding already Germinating at high percentage.

I was concerned that the freeze/thaw cycle being absent this Spring that the seed on the surface of bare spot would not germinate... But with the warm rains this Spring a lot of these areas are greening up, with decent germination rates after all...

These lawns are w/out irrigation so it the best shot of getting growth when the Late Summer seeding failed...

We have finally started mowing lawns now and when the irrigation is turned on I plan to add pre-germinated AR mixed with compost for a Summer cover in areas that seem barren...

Does anyone else use AR, for a dependable Summer cover in the lawns that do not have dependable irrigation???
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:31 AM
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Glad to see you are having some success from the dormant seeding.
AR--annual rye--not sure--wouldn't perennial rye do just as well, germinate just as quickly, look better, and cost not much more?
Especially look for the cultivars at the seed companies that claim "quick germination", and look for varieties that have a low seeds-per-pound count--that means the seeds are large and therefore germinate quickly, (especially if pre-germinated and the soil is warm). I think Blazer IV is a favorite for fast start around here.
Let us know of your results.

A neighbor's spring seeding on a bare soil new lawn is doing OK. Maximum height is about 3 inches--but very thin so far. Its been rainy, so probably no sprinkling so far. Cold today 46. Photos later.
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Old 05-17-2014, 08:47 AM
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I tried per-germinated perennial mix last Fall, during our prime seeding period after Labor Day, before the irrigation was shut off and it did not want to 'take off' then... In fact I thought it was lost because it was pre-germinated yet never grew, until this Spring...
AR is a reliable grower that will get a quick hold in the soil with less chance of die back during the Summer Heat...
I looks odd before mowing, but is better than dirt or weeds...
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:50 AM
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With a fairly wet Spring just about all the Dormant Seeding is doing well and should be stable enough to survive the possible heat as well as any of the older plants...

However, with the extended winterkill in areas that have always been healthy we seem to have issues with chickweed/henbit taking over...
I doesn't make sense to try and kill it now because grass won't effectively take its place now anyways... shade and no irrigation is the situation,,, so what would you do???
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:51 AM
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Good question--I am not sure what I would do about the chickweed and henbit. Both are winter annuals--so--in theory--they should die when the temp hits about 85. If the weather is dry and the fertility level favors rapid growth of the grass--a short cut should encourage the chick and hen to fade out, as you let the new grass get longer. A shot of herbicide wouldn't hurt anything really.
You can always seed it with the understanding that on average, it will take three times to hit a lucky stretch of weather. Is there likely to be a crabgrass problem?
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:31 PM
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We are now spraying weeds in areas that were dormant seeded last fall, as well as areas that were seeded in early May 2014. We use Chaser Turf ester herbicide because it does not contain dicamba. It does not harm new grass or prohibit germination.

For lawns that were seeded in late fall 2013, and lawns that were seeded in early May, we are not applying any sort of preemergent herbicide. The oxalis, knotweed, etc that appears in the seeded areas >> we're spraying them. Usually using a backpack sprayer with flat fan nozzle (using Chaser ester).

pic 1) Dormant seeded December 3rd, 2013
pic 2) Seeded May 6, 2014
pic 3) Seeded May 7, 2014

All 3 properties were seeded with a 4-way blend of turf-type (dwarf) tall fescues

p.s. Those little white things in the photos ain't weeds --- they're fallen petals from flowering trees.
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Larry - you are only using TTTF blends for overseeding now, right?
I am thinking of using more and more TTTF for overseeding, and less KBG.
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nearly always it's TTTF

Every once in a while we will seed with "Blue Ribbon" (4-way Kentucky bluegrass). And very rarely we seed with fine fescue. Main reason is to exactly match "certain" lawns.

But I'm guessing over 98% of our seeding jobs = a 4-way blend of TTTF (turf-type tall fescue). It's the "new wave" in grass seed. ISU seeded over 100 TTTF cultivars in test plots at their research farm 2 years ago. ISU's 2 top turfgrass experts even have TTTF in their home lawns.

http://www.iaturf.blogspot.com/2012_09_01_archive.html

TTTT was initially suggested to me by a good friend in KS. (grassman). Followed up shortly after that by Iowa State University. Now I swear by it, and most customers are very pleased with it.

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Larry - you are only using TTTF blends for overseeding now, right?
I am thinking of using more and more TTTF for overseeding, and less KBG.
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Old 06-17-2014, 08:20 PM
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Every once in a while we will seed with "Blue Ribbon" (4-way Kentucky bluegrass). And very rarely we seed with fine fescue. Main reason is to exactly match "certain" lawns.

But I'm guessing over 98% of our seeding jobs = a 4-way blend of TTTF (turf-type tall fescue). It's the "new wave" in grass seed. ISU seeded over 100 TTTF cultivars in test plots at their research farm 2 years ago. ISU's 2 top turfgrass experts even have TTTF in their home lawns.

http://www.iaturf.blogspot.com/2012_09_01_archive.html

TTTT was initially suggested to me by a good friend in KS. (grassman). Followed up shortly after that by Iowa State University. Now I swear by it, and most customers are very pleased with it.
I only seed with a 5 Blend mix Turf Fescue doing this for atleast 20 years
Last lawn I installed the customer was mowing it in 2 weeks His new neighbor ask him if it was sod. This the 4th week I need get over there take a pic of it
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:29 AM
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Every once in a while we will seed with "Blue Ribbon" (4-way Kentucky bluegrass). And very rarely we seed with fine fescue. Main reason is to exactly match "certain" lawns.

But I'm guessing over 98% of our seeding jobs = a 4-way blend of TTTF (turf-type tall fescue). It's the "new wave" in grass seed. ISU seeded over 100 TTTF cultivars in test plots at their research farm 2 years ago. ISU's 2 top turfgrass experts even have TTTF in their home lawns.

http://www.iaturf.blogspot.com/2012_09_01_archive.html

TTTT was initially suggested to me by a good friend in KS. (grassman). Followed up shortly after that by Iowa State University. Now I swear by it, and most customers are very pleased with it.
We are too far north for TTTF and in forest lawns normal grasses do not compete well with weeds...
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