Register free!
Search
 
     

The Green Industry's Resource Center


Click for Weather
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 10-13-2006, 11:31 PM
Eclipse Eclipse is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,149
Quote:
Why not just have both deck sizes on 2 different mowers??
As, MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE suggested, to have the absolute best mower for each property I would be dragging around more mowers every day and the trailer is only so big

As a solo op I found it easy to bring 3 different sized mowers with me for the day and I would pretty much be covered no matter what I was mowing that day. When running a 2 person crew and not wanting to mix the size of my stripes on the majority of properties, I would prefer to trailer at least two of the same size mower.

Quote:
I find that the 52's are much easier for employees to use without scalping.
This is certainly something I was thinking as well.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-13-2006, 11:43 PM
Eclipse Eclipse is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Envy Lawn Service
My advice is that if you want a 'nook' mower, look at a 48" rider.
There are several properties that I cannot mow with a ZTR. Some have some very steep hills that even a WB can be a little tricky.

This does bring up another question I have not thought much about yet? That is, if I chose to go 52, do I go with two WB's or one WB and one ZTR. I really do not want to bring that into this discussion though.

BTW - Thanks to everyone for thier comments.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-14-2006, 04:28 AM
dwlah's Avatar
dwlah dwlah is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Argo Al
Posts: 530
Its 4 AM Im at work

so I thought Id put this chart out there
this is for 48 52 60 66 and 72 decks figuring 80% per pass and how many inches on the total passes

48 52 60 66 72
1 38 42 48 53 58
2 76 84 96 106 116
3 114 126 144 159 174
4 152 168 192 212 232
5 190 210 240 265 290
6 228 252 288 318 348
7 266 294 336 371 406
8 304 336 384 424 464
9 342 378 432 477 522
10 380 420 480 530 580

Now with that said youve still got to deal with small areas
Ive got one place I mow with a 60 one week and a 48 the next The 48 will go between this light pole and the parking lot curb but the 60 wont When I use the 60 I have to go all the way back out there to hit that one spot with the trimmer I just have to make sure I dont fall off the curb with the smaller z
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-14-2006, 07:58 PM
dave k's Avatar
dave k dave k is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Statham, Georgia
Posts: 1,165
60" deck

Hi Envy, why do LCO's in my area say anything larger than a 52" scaples yards? But you do make sense about the 52" and 48", Thanks
BTW, What do you cut with? Most of my properties are 1/2 ac to 3/4, I have a 42" Walker now but want to go with speed and side discharge this new season.
Dave
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-14-2006, 09:53 PM
Envy Lawn Service's Avatar
Envy Lawn Service Envy Lawn Service is offline
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 11,042
Quote:
Originally Posted by dave k
Hi Envy, why do LCO's in my area say anything larger than a 52" scaples yards? But you do make sense about the 52" and 48", Thanks
BTW, What do you cut with? Most of my properties are 1/2 ac to 3/4, I have a 42" Walker now but want to go with speed and side discharge this new season.
Dave
Well, I can tell you this up front...
The 60" Lesco Ztwo scalps less than the 52" Lazer HP.

To be honest, what it really comes down to is machine layout, not deck size.

Keep the 42" walker if you can and get yourself a good 60" machine.
__________________
ENVY



"If you place a low value upon yourself, rest assured..... the world will not raise your price."

"The bitterness of poor quality lingers on long after the sweetness of cheap price is forgotten"
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-14-2006, 10:15 PM
topsites topsites is offline
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Richmond Virginia
Posts: 21,677
Every deck size has its sizes of yard that it was designed for...
For example, the 48" was designed for yards 1/4 - 3/4 acres in size. That is not to say it can't DO other yards, but it is to say that in the right size yard, the correct deck size is the right tool for the job. Translation: Best bang for the buck, both for you AND the customer, thus I believe it helps to have several deck sizes available and to know which one suits what, still it boils down to a compromise on what to load for what day, and if you carry two machines that is such a 'musical lawnmower' nightmare, oh man...

As for 48" vs. 60", my 48's run circles around the Z in yards 1/4 - 3/4 acres in size, it is only once you get into the bigger lots that the 48 sloths off.

I started with 2x used 52's but a year later found a used 48" and fell in love with it, so much in fact that last year I bought a brand-new 48". I ran those two 48's exclusively for all of last year and sold my last 52 early this year, to where all I had was 48's...

Mind you, the 48" is a fixed deck and thus much lighter than the 52" float. And since there isn't any floating (read: jumping and clanging around) of the deck at speed, you can fly as fast as you want, just you have to watch for the scalping.
There isn't much of a difference in deck size, but the 48" gets through a LOT more gates than the 52"... Matter of fact, the 52" will only go through oversize single gates OR double gates, where the 48" fits through MOST 4-foot wide singles and larger.

However, having operated the fixed 48" deck for 4 years gave me a distinct advantage when it came time to operate the 60" float, I find scalping to be no more of an issue with the 5-footer than my 48", but it has to do with practice and experience as well as float vs. fixed.

I would thou, personally, purchase a 48" over a 52" any day of the year, but not a 44", it has to do with the fixed deck's properties that I like so much.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HenryB
Well said Envy,
My thoughts exactly. No matter how you slice it a 52 is much slower than a 60. Unless your doing less than 7000 sq. ft. Guys running 48's wouldn't go back to 36's.
No doubt I'm with you 100%, I wouldn't buy anything smaller than a 44" and even the 44 would have to be a really good deal.

Last edited by topsites; 10-14-2006 at 10:19 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-14-2006, 10:28 PM
MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE's Avatar
MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: BEREA KY
Posts: 1,549
I can't see much difference in a 48 or a 52 a z or wb i cut big areas with a 52 and i can't see buying another 61 inch cut z three seasons old and you take a huge loss, it always helps to have backup mowers.
__________________
DO NOT TRUST YOUR LIFE TO A POS
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-14-2006, 10:54 PM
Envy Lawn Service's Avatar
Envy Lawn Service Envy Lawn Service is offline
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 11,042
Quote:
Originally Posted by topsites
Every deck size has its sizes of yard that it was designed for...
For example, the 48" was designed for yards 1/4 - 3/4 acres in size. That is not to say it can't DO other yards, but it is to say that in the right size yard, the correct deck size is the right tool for the job. Translation: Best bang for the buck, both for you AND the customer, thus I believe it helps to have several deck sizes available and to know which one suits what, still it boils down to a compromise on what to load for what day, and if you carry two machines that is such a 'musical lawnmower' nightmare, oh man...

As for 48" vs. 60", my 48's run circles around the Z in yards 1/4 - 3/4 acres in size, it is only once you get into the bigger lots that the 48 sloths off.

I started with 2x used 52's but a year later found a used 48" and fell in love with it, so much in fact that last year I bought a brand-new 48". I ran those two 48's exclusively for all of last year and sold my last 52 early this year, to where all I had was 48's...

Mind you, the 48" is a fixed deck and thus much lighter than the 52" float. And since there isn't any floating (read: jumping and clanging around) of the deck at speed, you can fly as fast as you want, just you have to watch for the scalping.
There isn't much of a difference in deck size, but the 48" gets through a LOT more gates than the 52"... Matter of fact, the 52" will only go through oversize single gates OR double gates, where the 48" fits through MOST 4-foot wide singles and larger.

However, having operated the fixed 48" deck for 4 years gave me a distinct advantage when it came time to operate the 60" float, I find scalping to be no more of an issue with the 5-footer than my 48", but it has to do with practice and experience as well as float vs. fixed.

I would thou, personally, purchase a 48" over a 52" any day of the year, but not a 44", it has to do with the fixed deck's properties that I like so much.



No doubt I'm with you 100%, I wouldn't buy anything smaller than a 44" and even the 44 would have to be a really good deal.
Once you get accustomed to operating a 60" rider, you won't be saying that anymore.

All the rest, I agree with on 48" v/s 52".
You didn't bring up swingsets (48's fit between every section of those monster ones).
You didn't bring up the commercial islands either that are just right for the 48's.

EDIT:
...........and finally someone who can appreciate what I mean about 'deck bounce'. You ought to get on a Ztwo or TANK sometime. Their decks don't bounce all over the place at speed and it DOES make a difference.
__________________
ENVY



"If you place a low value upon yourself, rest assured..... the world will not raise your price."

"The bitterness of poor quality lingers on long after the sweetness of cheap price is forgotten"
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-15-2006, 12:42 AM
Idealtim's Avatar
Idealtim Idealtim is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: hamden connecticut
Posts: 942
My switch between a 36 and a 48 was like night and day. But, of course, te 36 is a pos in the first place.
__________________
'95 F-250 8' Fisher HD

6.5'x10.5' dual axle trailer-FULL of equip.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-15-2006, 08:46 AM
Coumbe's Avatar
Coumbe Coumbe is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Texas, Conroe
Posts: 269
I have a 60" and a 48". 48" cuts better fit a lot more places and is what we will run from now on. Bigger is not always better.
__________________
Precision Residential Services
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1998 - 2012, LawnSite.comô - Moose River Media
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:18 AM.

Page generated in 0.12832 seconds with 9 queries