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Old 05-14-2008, 11:29 PM
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I saw it mentioned in a previous post to go with a truck that has a drop axle. Would it be possible to add one of those (aftermarket) without it sending the truck into a CDL rating? It seems to me that having an additional axle under there would have prevented the bending of the frame.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:26 AM
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a second axle wont do a thing to help the frame. that was a box truck to start with so it had a light weight single frame. if you want a heavy duty truck you go with a double frame or a hd single frame. most guys will add a second frame to a box truck when converting to a dump to help with problems like that.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:26 PM
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a second axle wont do a thing to help the frame. that was a box truck to start with so it had a light weight single frame. if you want a heavy duty truck you go with a double frame or a hd single frame. most guys will add a second frame to a box truck when converting to a dump to help with problems like that.
First of all, let me say I am NOt flaming anyone here.

But to add to what Picasso wrote -

I see so many scapers with trucks that are SO incorrectly speced.....it's not funny.

My old man used to own a GMC truck dealership in PA many years ago. At that time they were the 7th largest GMC dealership in the United States. Well...back in 1997 I went out on my own and bought a 3500HD stake body with a 12' bed. ON A 5' CAB TO AXLE!!!! I never asked my dad for his opinion on the truck before buying it.

After I bought it he took one look at the truck, and another look at the 12' body, then asked me to get the tape measure. He had me put the tape on the rear corner of the cab and he pulled the tape to the center of the rear axle. He said "DVS, you're going to eat front tires, you have a 12' bed on a 5' cab to axle". I didn't understand what he was talking about and I just blew it off.

Well sure enough! The front tires started cupping!

I see landscape stake bodies all the time with incorrect weight distrubition. Think of the bed as a teeter-totter filled with water. When that bed is filled with water, will all the weight be on the rear axle, lifting the front of the truck up and cupping the front tires, or will all the weight be distrubuted appropriately on both axles???

Landscapers like their locker boxes on their work trucks. But, if all the calculations are not done, those lockers can cause you to eat front tires, as when loaded with soil, sand, or gravel - all the weight will be at the rear of the frame, thus causing the headlights to shine in the tree tops, thus causing the front tires to cup.

I saw a scaper last week in our area driving his new 1 ton dump! Boy I bet he's proud of that truck! The bed was filled with soil, and man, that front end was as high up as it could go!!

There is much more to buying work trucks other than whether it has a diesel or a gasser. So much more than how many yards of mulch you can carry.

Some things to take into consideration are:

- Frame strength. (I'd hate to see our F-650 get in a accident!)

- Transmission Size

- Gear ratio

- Cab to axle measurement. Will the weight be distributed correctly?
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:58 PM
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:09 AM
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i've got a lot of pictures to put up.......some of which i have yet to take haha.......i'm too busy playing catch up right now the rain but i've got that wrap around irregular set in mortar, retaining wall, plantings and currently building a paver driveway......just give me some time

i've also moved and gotten a new lot......the international sits there like a trophy bent all to hell........i think i'm getting rid of the cab and engine, keeping the roll off and all my goodies then sending the rest to scrap for a couple dollars.
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Old 06-11-2008, 10:20 PM
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I'll be watching for pics of you rolling around in a ford lcf... its a couple of days late so I'm thinking you might have called in some favors
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:20 AM
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I'd just need to paint it BLUE first.......and I've got the extra paint! I should have taken a picture of it like a new trophy haha. Believe me, I could use it right now.....don't tempt me.
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:16 PM
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I must say DVS is completely correct. A lot of guys go out, see a shiny new dump and say thats the one I want without considering tranny, gears, frame, and all that stuff. I see it happen all the time in my area. I see guys driving around in nice new trucks and you know what, if you needed a billboard, something to get attention, well thats what you got and thats all that there good for. I scaled back this year and work part time for a local company. A year or two ago he bought a mason dump, Ford, gas job. Long story short if it was the cutting rig, it would be perfect but no he uses it for installs. If you put more than 2 tons of anything except mulch I would say, grab a shovel. I've never seen anyone waste $30,000 so easily. The dump body wont go up and it passes everything but a gas station. After discussing it with him it was clear he didn't have that much knowledge of trucks and was probably looking for a cheap deal, but I think I coulda spent better money on a 97 Ford Powerstroke with dump body.

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First of all, let me say I am NOt flaming anyone here.

But to add to what Picasso wrote -

I see so many scapers with trucks that are SO incorrectly speced.....it's not funny.

My old man used to own a GMC truck dealership in PA many years ago. At that time they were the 7th largest GMC dealership in the United States. Well...back in 1997 I went out on my own and bought a 3500HD stake body with a 12' bed. ON A 5' CAB TO AXLE!!!! I never asked my dad for his opinion on the truck before buying it.

After I bought it he took one look at the truck, and another look at the 12' body, then asked me to get the tape measure. He had me put the tape on the rear corner of the cab and he pulled the tape to the center of the rear axle. He said "DVS, you're going to eat front tires, you have a 12' bed on a 5' cab to axle". I didn't understand what he was talking about and I just blew it off.

Well sure enough! The front tires started cupping!

I see landscape stake bodies all the time with incorrect weight distrubition. Think of the bed as a teeter-totter filled with water. When that bed is filled with water, will all the weight be on the rear axle, lifting the front of the truck up and cupping the front tires, or will all the weight be distrubuted appropriately on both axles???

Landscapers like their locker boxes on their work trucks. But, if all the calculations are not done, those lockers can cause you to eat front tires, as when loaded with soil, sand, or gravel - all the weight will be at the rear of the frame, thus causing the headlights to shine in the tree tops, thus causing the front tires to cup.

I saw a scaper last week in our area driving his new 1 ton dump! Boy I bet he's proud of that truck! The bed was filled with soil, and man, that front end was as high up as it could go!!

There is much more to buying work trucks other than whether it has a diesel or a gasser. So much more than how many yards of mulch you can carry.

Some things to take into consideration are:

- Frame strength. (I'd hate to see our F-650 get in a accident!)

- Transmission Size

- Gear ratio

- Cab to axle measurement. Will the weight be distributed correctly?
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:47 PM
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I understand completely the point. Just to be clear, I research the hell out of everything before I buy it. It took me probably two months to come to a conclusion on the International chasis....based upon the DT466 history as well as knowledgable mechanics around me familar with the truck = no issues with service.

Ask me when I started how my '02 Chevy 6.0L w/ 4.10 rear and 10,000 lb 10' dump trail was........well it was the perfect setup. Well it is a good setup but was slowing me down for a lack of capacity and along came the International. It went in the shop a couple times and back into action was the Chevy and dump trailer.....what a pain that was especially when trying to immobilize. Well, now the International is totalled and I'm running my backup truck ('04 Chevy 4500) as my primary + my '07 Chevy w/ 16' dump trailer. Yes I can do just about everything as before but it takes two trucks, two drivers and twice the risk. Tasks are completed, but not a smoothly and additional work is required. Can I get by without another International with SNG? Yeah I can but I'm not as efficient and if you're not efficient, you're losing money and if you're losing money you're going out of business and your overhead does not care because it is still there.

Comes down to looking at what you do, seeing what you NEED vs WANT (that is hard sometimes) and acting on it. Also, knowing a good deal when you see it or an opportunity to capitalize on. Do I need stainless on my truck........maybe not but dang if it doesn't look sharp and make me stand out like a sore thumb against my competition. It wasn't until after that truck was lost that I learned how much it was known by people I had never met that were asking me about it etc. People knew the truck and that is what I want in addition to its capability......to stand out.
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Old 06-14-2008, 05:48 PM
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.....Do I need stainless on my truck........maybe not but dang if it doesn't look sharp and make me stand out like a sore thumb against my competition. It wasn't until after that truck was lost that I learned how much it was known by people I had never met that were asking me about it etc. People knew the truck and that is what I want in addition to its capability......to stand out.


Now, I am NOT trying to nitpick Tthomas's statement apart, by any means. And I hope this here, post does not come across this way. I'm kindo veering off on a different subject.

But his comment brings marketing concepts to my mind, and creative marketing is a subject that I could discuss for hours

See, I love nice looking trucks. In the trucking world they're known as "working class trucks". And no one could ever disagree that a sharp looking truck does not draw attention. Which if you draw attention - you may get some good sales leads.

I love marketing. I have more marketing ideas than I do money to do them.

The best way to stand out and draw attention is with trucks / vehicles that have bright paint colors that stand out like a sore thumb.

Some examples of companies in the Washington DC area are:

* College Hunks Hauling Junk - Bright Orange Cabovers

* Doody Calls - A pooper scooper company with Bright Green compact pick ups. (their website shows a blue truck, but I have seen bright green trucks)


While most males that have an appreciation for nice looking trucks may surely notice - the average Helen Homeowner won't. Helen homeowner isn't going to pay an ounce of attention to a truck with polished shiny metal. First Helen's eyes will be drawn to a truck with a clean, consistant psychodellic paint scheme. And then her eyes will be drawn to the lettering on the truck. And when she see the words "stonework" she's gonna say "STONEWORK! Holly banannas, I have been looking all over for someone to build my flagstone patio, get that phone number!"
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