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Old 11-10-2008, 10:16 PM
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I can understand an installer having a favorite product, and telling everyone how much they like it, but to classify "most" paver products on the market as "trash" is quite unfair. Techo is a very good product, no doubt about it, but I have also had positive experiences with Cambridge, Unilock, EP Henry, Belgard and Rinox, all who make very high quality concrete usually at a fair price. Those that dont, not worth talking about, and we shall leave it at that. No manufacturer is perfect, that is a fact.

As for this Pete the Paver fellow bashing other manufacturers, it begs the question: if his product is so bloody good, then why does he have to put down other lines? As for him putting down other "experts", I'm sure Peter knows his stuff, and is a good show, but buy me a pint and I can come up with about 100 installers who I would rank over him.

And that brings up another thought -

One of Techo's big sales pitches is that their products are pumped up on Viagra, meaning they boast about the density of their products.

And I have never bought into this.

When we started out, we installed Belgard pavers. And ya know.....I have to say we have never had a problem with Belgard's paver's density, not even back when they were having major quality issues. Never. So yeah, I understand the importance of a decent density of pavers, but it's not something that has ever been an issue in the last 12.5 years.
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:13 PM
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One of Techo's big sales pitches is that their products are pumped up on Viagra
Now is that part of the ASTM paver standard, or the Canadian standard?
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:47 AM
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We've attended a few seminars where Pete has participated, as well as some of their show case seminars.

Personally, techo is about 90% of what we sell. They have a great product, and outstanding customer service/support.

A couple years ago, we did a project and had some issues with the cap stones. The design of caps had two 1" channels on the under side to allow for their plastic pins to lay. Works great if your running a strait line. But on curves it doesnt work at all, not to mention you lose about 40% of the surface area for which to glue.

Techo was aware of this problem and was in the middle of changing the stones design. They sent us as many as we needed to replace the poorly designed stones, at no additional cost. Personaly, I thought this is what they should have done, but I didnt even have to ask.

I will continue support Techo regardless of their higher prices. Great company, Great product. YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH TECHO.
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Old 12-12-2008, 08:47 PM
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We are exclusive Techo for 6 years. I have tried the rest, my guys told me if I ever have a non-Techo project again, they won't do it. And I have to agree. Just lift a Techo 6" block and someone elses 6" block and you will feel the difference. A techo wall will be the same at the top dead level as you started it on the first row. Also Techo pavers are much denser. Our diamond blades last half as long as when cutting someone elses paver that's how much harder they are. We use over $000,000 in Techo product per year, so I know what I am talking about. I haven't found anybody to match their tolerances, especially with walls. No shimming here!
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Old 12-12-2008, 10:27 PM
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Kinda like a house. You can have 2x4 walls or you can have 2x6 walls.

I've never heard of a house collapsing because the walls were 2x4's, instead of 2x6's.

Going on 13 years in the paver bidness, we've installed junk and we've installed the best. And to this day, never have even the junk pavers turned out to have issues deriving from low density. Sorry, this density stuff doesn't phase me.

I prefer Techo. I don't need any ridiculous sales pitches, just give us a nice product and stand behind it and we'll be a customer for as long as we're in business. Easy as that.



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Old 12-13-2008, 08:39 PM
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I prefer Techo. I don't need any ridiculous sales pitches, just give us a nice product and stand behind it and we'll be a customer for as long as we're in business. Easy as that.
i would have to agree.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:21 PM
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I have had some problems with Belgard as I'm sure most of you have. I actually had to replace 100' of cap (cut every piece- all curved) because they all fell apart. I dont know if that is due to improper density or a bad mix, most likely a bad mix. Then we were doing a driveway out of dublin cobble and oh man did we get stuck. We had 20+ bad skids, the thickness tolerences were like a quarter inch. As a result of those mishaps the supplier dropped belgard and replaced them with CST which I think is just as bad. Love techo pavers. Walls are ok. Advice: Do not use minicreta plus for curved walls with a small radius, it starts looking like poor craftsman ship because there are I think 5 diff sizes. And what happens is when you start curving the only way you can make it look good is if you use the same block on top of each other. If you use diff block the curve starts wondering off, you can make adjustments by cutting which is what I had to do to make it look presentable. But a pain in the @$$
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:40 AM
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I have had some problems with Belgard as I'm sure most of you have. I actually had to replace 100' of cap (cut every piece- all curved) because they all fell apart. I dont know if that is due to improper density or a bad mix, most likely a bad mix. Then we were doing a driveway out of dublin cobble and oh man did we get stuck. We had 20+ bad skids, the thickness tolerences were like a quarter inch. As a result of those mishaps the supplier dropped belgard and replaced them with CST which I think is just as bad......

Sounds like problems that Belgard had up to about 2 years ago, which have since been overcome. Or, if it was recently, perhaps it was old inventory?
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:21 PM
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Keep in mind some products are made by licensees. It's been my experience that all manufactures are not held to the same standards. I know most of you don't travel to work, but we will go where the work is. You would be surprised at how many places don't have qualified wall builders. We mainly use Anchor products for our walls and we have bought product out of St. Louis, Alabama, Texas and Omaha. Except for Texas the product has all been good quality. In Texas, Anchor wall block is made by Pavestone. When the block showed up at the job (6 hour delivery drive time) and the guys started installing, I recieved the first of many calls about block quality. My first reaction was, it's just a few bad blocks. Then it might have been a bad batch. The guys were seperating the bad from the good and when I went back to Texas after having a hundred pallets delivered to the job, I see thirty six pallets of bad block. Seperating block is time consuming and expensive for any of us to do, but this job only has three guys working it. The sides of all these block are broken or chipped to the point that 3/4 backfill will fall out of the wall. I'm not a happy guy when things don't go right due to someone elses f***up and we had already talked to everyone who had anything to do with these blocks. Anchor, Pavestone, reps and local suppliers. Well, Pavestone sends their sales rep and Anchor sends their regional rep to meet with us. The first thing the Pavestone rep says about the block is that they are acceptable and nobody in Texas complains about them. If nobody in Texas complains that could mean that I'm an overdemanding prick or Texas contractors should hide their heads in shame. At this point I have given up and the Anchor reps hands are tied, due to Pavestone selling a million block a year. We go to see a recent wall job done with these block, but before we get there the Anchor rep tells me i'll see the issue before I even get close to the wall. It looked like they were making a limestone bed in front of the wall, there was so much falling out.

Sorry about the rant, but the point is it's not only the brand you use , but who is making it.
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