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Old 07-31-2009, 09:34 PM
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Kiril, Have you ever read the Albretch Papers?
While he promotes certain base saturation levels of certain Cations, he also promotes SLAN. He also makes exceptions for different types of soils. He was also a big believer in using compost and manures to adjust soil nutrient levels.
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Kiril, Have you ever read the Albretch Papers?
You mean ALBRECHT.

I have read some, not all. A more relevant (updated) body of work to read that extends Albrecht's work is Neal Kinsey's Hands-on Agronomy: Understanding Soil Fertility & Fertilizer Use

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While he promotes certain base saturation levels of certain Cations, he also promotes SLAN.
Not really, and he is probably rolling over in his grave hearing you say that.

He promoted balance of nutrients (ratios), which is not the same as sufficient level (ppm, lbs/acre, etc..). You can have a sufficient level of a particular nutrient, but it may not be in "balance" with other nutrients. This is the primary difference in the two approaches. The SLAN approach is not concerned with balancing ratios, BCSR approach (eg. Albrecht's theory) is. I suppose one could say SLAN is a plant based approach, BCSR is a soil based approach.

In any event, there is merit to be had in both approaches, which is why I consider both in my overall assessment of a soils status.
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Old 08-02-2009, 12:56 PM
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Spelling has never been one of my strong points. LOL

When I get back to my other computer, I have a link saved where you can download most of his papers, as well as the papers of a bunch of other smart folks. I'll post the link to the site, I think a lot here might find it makes some interesting reading. Of course most of this information is old research, but interesting none the less., For those that chose to download from the site, just remember that most of the downloads are copyrighted and you probably wouldnt want to start posting the papers all over the internet.

I have read the Hands On Agronomy as well as listened to bunches of Neals Audio tapes. Most of which can be obtained thru Acres USA
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:36 PM
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When I get back to my other computer, I have a link saved where you can download most of his papers, as well as the papers of a bunch of other smart folks. I'll post the link to the site, I think a lot here might find it makes some interesting reading.
Yes, I use that site quite often.

http://www.soilandhealth.org/index.html

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For those that chose to download from the site, just remember that most of the downloads are copyrighted and you probably wouldnt want to start posting the papers all over the internet.
Yes, unless you want to be sued.
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:01 PM
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Yes, I use that site quite often.

http://www.soilandhealth.org/index.html
Thats the site, I dont think you can get most of those downloads anywhere else.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:44 PM
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Thanks for the links guys really good info. I ordered two audio books from Acres by Neal Kinsey, Hands-on Agronomy and the one on N,P,K
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Old 08-05-2009, 08:43 PM
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Heres you another link for fertilizer use you might like.
http://www.back-to-basics.net/efu/efu.html
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