Should we do this?

[Michael Geist Yard Works]

Originally Posted by Patriot Services

It depends. The law says you can apply straight fert no problem. If it has herbicide or pesticide in it (think scott's bonus s) then you have to have an "Ornamental Application License". But, the loophole is it's only illegal if you charge for it. So, if the customer purchases it and you apply it you are in compliance. Confused yet?

Is this accurate? I was told that it was illegal to do this. I have stories of people getting busted for putting down stuff that the owners supposedly purchase and still being fined.

[Ric]

Guys

There is so much MISINFORMATION in this thread I don't know where to start to correct it. Nor do I have the time or desire to correct all of it.


1st. Just because you can buy building supplies does mean you are licensed to construct a Sky Scraper. And just because you can buy Pesticide does mean you can apply them to any place other than your own property.

2nd. Florida has many different Pesticide license Under Chapters 482 and 487 of state law. A LIMITED Ornamental license is LIMITED to Ornamental beds. A Commercial Lawn & Ornamental license is for Legal treatment of horticulture pests in residential yards both Turf and Ornamentals. There are already local County License for applying Fertilizer in some counties and a state license in the works.

3rd Out of State CPO can get credit towards a Fla CPO certification, However they must work for a Fla CPO company for one year to sit for the Lawn & Ornamental Pesticide Test which is considered the hardest test of its kind in the nation. The same is true for structual pesticide and Termite licenses etc.


4th. Sod laying in November can be successful by a professional. However Fungus is a strong possibility and should be treated as a preventive. Brown Patch Fungus is also called Winter Patch Fungus here because cooler temperature are its best environment. Because of cooler temperature and short hours of sunlight in the winter months, Sod will take longer to establish if laid in the winter months.

[Michael Geist Yard Works]

Originally Posted by Ric

Guys

There is so much MISINFORMATION in this thread I don't know where to start to correct it. Nor do I have the time or desire to correct all of it.


1st. Just because you can buy building supplies does mean you are licensed to construct a Sky Scraper. And just because you can buy Pesticide does mean you can apply them to any place other than your own property.

2nd. Florida has many different Pesticide license Under Chapters 482 and 487 of state law. A LIMITED Ornamental license is LIMITED to Ornamental beds. A Commercial Lawn & Ornamental license is for Legal treatment of horticulture pests in residential yards both Turf and Ornamentals. There are already local County License for applying Fertilizer in some counties and a state license in the works.

3rd Out of State CPO can get credit towards a Fla CPO certification, However they must work for a Fla CPO company for one year to sit for the Lawn & Ornamental Pesticide Test which is considered the hardest test of its kind in the nation. The same is true for structual pesticide and Termite licenses etc.


4th. Sod laying in November can be successful by a professional. However Fungus is a strong possibility and should be treated as a preventive. Brown Patch Fungus is also called Winter Patch Fungus here because cooler temperature are its best environment. Because of cooler temperature and short hours of sunlight in the winter months, Sod will take longer to establish if laid in the winter months.

Not looking to say you are wrong - or start a fight - but tell me what I have posted that is wrong!

To your point number 1 "Just because you can buy building supplies does mean you are licensed to construct a Sky Scraper. And just because you can buy Pesticide does mean you can apply them to any place other than your own property."
Did I not mention to him that he can buy these for his personal property but not others?


To your 3rd Point: "Out of State CPO can get credit towards a Fla CPO certification, However they must work for a Fla CPO company for one year to sit for the Lawn & Ornamental Pesticide Test which is considered the hardest test of its kind in the nation. The same is true for structual pesticide and Termite licenses etc."
Is this not what I said? I said my license did not transfer - I did not say anything about credits - However I did mention that I though it sucked that I would have to work for another applicator in order to earn the right do so down here.

To your 4th point: 4th. Sod laying in November can be successful by a professional. However Fungus is a strong possibility and should be treated as a preventive. Brown Patch Fungus is also called Winter Patch Fungus here because cooler temperature are its best environment. Because of cooler temperature and short hours of sunlight in the winter months, Sod will take longer to establish if laid in the winter months.
Is this considered the best time to lay sod down her - are October and November not considered the prime time to lay sod even though most contractors and homeowners lay during the summer? Is the chance of fungus more now than during the spring and summer with the abundunt rain and evening temps in the 80's?

Like I said - not trying to fight - just looking to correct myself if I was wrong and continue my education with this FL enviorment.

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Michael Geist Yard Works

Not looking to say you are wrong - or start a fight - but tell me what I have posted that is wrong!

To your point number 1 "Just because you can buy building supplies does mean you are licensed to construct a Sky Scraper. And just because you can buy Pesticide does mean you can apply them to any place other than your own property."
Did I not mention to him that he can buy these for his personal property but not others?


To your 3rd Point: "Out of State CPO can get credit towards a Fla CPO certification, However they must work for a Fla CPO company for one year to sit for the Lawn & Ornamental Pesticide Test which is considered the hardest test of its kind in the nation. The same is true for structual pesticide and Termite licenses etc."
Is this not what I said? I said my license did not transfer - I did not say anything about credits - However I did mention that I though it sucked that I would have to work for another applicator in order to earn the right do so down here.

To your 4th point: 4th. Sod laying in November can be successful by a professional. However Fungus is a strong possibility and should be treated as a preventive. Brown Patch Fungus is also called Winter Patch Fungus here because cooler temperature are its best environment. Because of cooler temperature and short hours of sunlight in the winter months, Sod will take longer to establish if laid in the winter months.
Is this considered the best time to lay sod down her - are October and November not considered the prime time to lay sod even though most contractors and homeowners lay during the summer? Is the chance of fungus more now than during the spring and summer with the abundunt rain and evening temps in the 80's?

Like I said - not trying to fight - just looking to correct myself if I was wrong and continue my education with this FL enviorment.

Micheal

Don't get paranoid I did not direct all my comments at you. Only the one about out of state Licenses. I wasn't sure if you knew you only needed ONE year of Florida Experience. It is not too late to get that experience as long as you can prove you HAD a License in an other state by that state's Records. There are way to get that time without giving up your current business.


If you read what I said about Fungus then that should answer your question. But Summer Heat suppresses Brown Patch Fungus here in Florida. It is still there just not active. Because Turf is Cut and kept on a pallet with out air or sunlight, Most Sod will have some fungus issues. Once laid in summer the Heat issue will suppress Brown Patch fungus which is the most common fungus of St Augustine.

IMHO Because of water restrictions, Just at the start of Rainy Season is the best time of year to lay sod. It is also the start of our Tropical Growing season.

[Michael Geist Yard Works]

Originally Posted by Ric

Micheal

Don't get paranoid I did not direct all my comments at you. Only the one about out of state Licenses. I wasn't sure if you knew you only needed ONE year of Florida Experience. It is not too late to get that experience as long as you can prove you HAD a License in an other state by that state's Records. There are way to get that time without giving up your current business.


If you read what I said about Fungus then that should answer your question. But Summer Heat suppresses Brown Patch Fungus here in Florida. It is still there just not active. Because Turf is Cut and kept on a pallet with out air or sunlight, Most Sod will have some fungus issues. Once laid in summer the Heat issue will suppress Brown Patch fungus which is the most common fungus of St Augustine.

IMHO Because of water restrictions, Just at the start of Rainy Season is the best time of year to lay sod. It is also the start of our Tropical Growing season.

Thanks Ric,

I understand about the working one year issue - my thing is that I am out on my own doing mostly just mowing and shrubs etc. My main issue is that I am not sure that I really want to go to work for another person and give up what I have built here so far. Not sure it is worth it, except it appears that most of the spray companies up here really do not even care to address most micro issues, just green and top growth. Most have a poor control over weeds also.

I am sure I would be able to prove my license if I do decide to go down that route. One of my licenses was through the State of Missouri as I worked for the Park system there. If not that one then I know my Grandfather will have one hanging around for me as I helped with his farm for several years while still working with the parks system.

I appreciate you input - I review your post often - as I find them informative and beneficial to me - especially since I am still learning about the eco system down here. Everything down here is just a little bit different!

It is good to hear that insight on turf laying during the summer - Duda Sod farm up here is one of the ones that suggested Oct Nov time frame to me. Since they grow it here - I figured they must have the insight right. Seems like this summer fungus was all over the place most of the time - we had a break about September - then all hell broke loose again.
Just got not spraying my own property with Armada. Just got Fungus again after fall application of fert. First time this season on my own property - had not had any issues since I did Soil Any. and addressed lacking micros. Frustrated to say the least that it broke out again - however I guess when I drag my equipment through others yards I am bound to bring some home too. Going to post a thread on this more than likely today. Look forward to you input on solutions you may have.

Thanks
MJG

[Michael Geist Yard Works]

Ric
Got my lab results - pic of my lawn and info on what I have done to fix fungus in the lawn on Landscape Maintenance section - Mind taking a look at the information given and trying to guide me in the right direction?

[unkownfl]

I have a limited commercial license in Florida. I can basically apply anything with a caution label and nothing with a warning label. Come spread over on the west side of Orlando and you will get a fine I promise. Especially in Apopka Ocoee Winter Garden and Windermere and instantly in Mt Verde or Ferndale. This is about the worst time of the year to lay sod, but it can still be done with no issues. It will hit low 50's by the end of the week and who knows in the next few weeks. 2400 to replace 2000 sqft is a rip off Im surprised people don't call the cops and say your price gouging thats like a 1900 profit. J/k about the price gouging but damn glad someone is making money.

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Michael Geist Yard Works

Ric
Got my lab results - pic of my lawn and info on what I have done to fix fungus in the lawn on Landscape Maintenance section - Mind taking a look at the information given and trying to guide me in the right direction?

Micheal

Scan your Lab test results and post it in the Pesticide section. You will get a lot of help.

Call the BEPC 1-850-921-4177 In Tallahassee. Tell them what Mo. certification you have on record with that state and can prove by those records. Ask them if those certifications count towards your 3 years experience. The law reads you need 3 years, the last year being here in Florida. If you only need a year I know of CPOs in your area willing to work with you Part time to get that last Florida year. The 3 year law does not require full time employment. You don't have to give up your business.

[Ric]

Originally Posted by unkownfl

I have a limited commercial license in Florida. I can basically apply anything with a caution label and nothing with a warning label. Come spread over on the west side of Orlando and you will get a fine I promise. Especially in Apopka Ocoee Winter Garden and Windermere and instantly in Mt Verde or Ferndale. This is about the worst time of the year to lay sod, but it can still be done with no issues. It will hit low 50's by the end of the week and who knows in the next few weeks. 2400 to replace 2000 sqft is a rip off Im surprised people don't call the cops and say your price gouging thats like a 1900 profit. J/k about the price gouging but damn glad someone is making money.

Unknown

There are pockets of very strong enforcement and no enforcement through out the state. Has to do with both the inspector working that area and his work load. One area I know of DOT also stops pesticide and Fertilizer trucks. DOT can be even harder on you than the BEPC. MSDS, Emergency equipment, Unsecured equipment, and Clean up supplies Etc Etc is what they look for. Once topped they might get you for a slightly wore tire or Burned out light Etc Etc.

I am surprised that the state is not enforcing more give they are broke and Fines provide income. I am reading on the quarterly reports from the BEPC, is maximum fines for those getting caught including CPO using off label etc etc.

BTW Watch because every so often the state will pull all Ag inspectors to a certain area and work a sting for about a week or so. Sometimes they have been know to rework the same area a couple of weeks later. It is past time for them to do it again. Fines can be $ 5,000 per in faction

[unkownfl]

I have seen city code enforcement writing fines with guys and there back pack sprayer.