Hourly vs. pay per job

[bengaginc]

so i like your idea but what do you do when it is leaf season
when your only mowing 10 yards?

[Stillwater]

Originally Posted by bengaginc

so i like your idea but what do you do when it is leaf season
when your only mowing 10 yards?

So what exactly do you like? having to completely disclose your businesses private invoicing in detail or do you like having to give them hard copies of your financial records to every chump you employ in order to pay them a % per job. Or is what you like the total mismanagement of the business as a whole. Or is what you like the inadequate crew time management / supervision that is the cause of the problem in the first place.

[cub man]

How long would you work under that system. might be legal but can you keep workers.what do you do when they start bully and fighting each other to get the job done. your workers will end up hating you their co workers and bad mouthing your company to every one they know your customers will pick up on this. when they find out they can work in out of the weather and make more on min. wage with less stress you will be training new employees over and over again good luck.

I might be wrong but I have seen this before on jobs that were less physical .

[Painting Stripes 11]

i think ghunter 502 needs to get out of the lawn biz and become a math teacher. Man your thinking way to hard to pay your labor. U might have to much time on your hands and not enough lawns, jk

[ghunter502]

Originally Posted by Painting Stripes 11

i think ghunter 502 needs to get out of the lawn biz and become a math teacher. Man your thinking way to hard to pay your labor. U might have to much time on your hands and not enough lawns, jk

Exactly how many empolyees do you have?

[ghunter502]

Originally Posted by cub man

How long would you work under that system. might be legal but can you keep workers.what do you do when they start bully and fighting each other to get the job done. your workers will end up hating you their co workers and bad mouthing your company to every one they know your customers will pick up on this. when they find out they can work in out of the weather and make more on min. wage with less stress you will be training new employees over and over again good luck.

I might be wrong but I have seen this before on jobs that were less physical .

You know when you are dealing with the mentality of people you hire that mow lawns for a living all I am trying is to find what motivates them to get them to making more money as well as myself with giving them some ownership in the company. No they would not get to see the books if they are making more money than they normally would they don't care. We do this with Christmas lights the guys who normally make $9-10/hour they were making anywhere from 13 to 18 an our they didn't care at all making more money they were extremely happy and I made alot more money than previous years. If you have any better ideas I am all ears?

[Stillwater]

Originally Posted by ghunter502

You know when you are dealing with the mentality of people you hire that mow lawns for a living all I am trying is to find what motivates them to get them to making more money as well as myself with giving them some ownership in the company. No they would not get to see the books if they are making more money than they normally would they don't care. We do this with Christmas lights the guys who normally make $9-10/hour they were making anywhere from 13 to 18 an our they didn't care at all making more money they were extremely happy and I made alot more money than previous years. If you have any better ideas I am all ears?

I am certainly not trying to start a argument I don't have the time or interest in that. Read post #5 again then read your latest post, do you really think this is workable. When a employees compensation is based on profits or the companies gross income they have a right and a need to know exactly what that is. The fact it is more than what they would get paid normally under the old pay system is irrelevant. If your not willing to open your books to them then you might not be ready for this pay method. You want them to take ownership in this way?

I suggest stronger motivated supervision together with really knowing your numbers. If you really want to part with your profit pay a simple bonus when they meet your goals. Remember what you said in your latest post "you are dealing with the mentality of people you hire that mow lawns for a living" These people more often than not will have no interest or understanding in your company but they will understand a bonus for meeting a reasonable goal. if you do anything read your post #5 again and as many times as it takes to see how silly it really is.

[Revojd]

You must be aware of the Fair Labor Standards Act which is a federal policy that protects employers from over working employees without OT.You can classify employees as salary but it cannot be a decrease in pay it must be an increase for example if an employee was making $10/hr x40hr per week =$400 the employee cannot make less then that. In NC that must be a supervise of at least two other employees and paid a minimum of $455.

[ghunter502]

Originally Posted by Revojd

You must be aware of the Fair Labor Standards Act which is a federal policy that protects employers from over working employees without OT.You can classify employees as salary but it cannot be a decrease in pay it must be an increase for example if an employee was making $10/hr x40hr per week =$400 the employee cannot make less then that. In NC that must be a supervise of at least two other employees and paid a minimum of $455.

Well this is not NC I have talked to my Lawyer and my accountant and it doesn't matter what you pay your employee's as long as they don't fall under minimum wage doesn't matter what you pay them.

[ghunter502]

Originally Posted by Stillwater

I am certainly not trying to start a argument I don't have the time or interest in that. Read post #5 again then read your latest post, do you really think this is workable. When a employees compensation is based on profits or the companies gross income they have a right and a need to know exactly what that is. The fact it is more than what they would get paid normally under the old pay system is irrelevant. If your not willing to open your books to them then you might not be ready for this pay method. You want them to take ownership in this way?

I suggest stronger motivated supervision together with really knowing your numbers. If you really want to part with your profit pay a simple bonus when they meet your goals. Remember what you said in your latest post "you are dealing with the mentality of people you hire that mow lawns for a living" These people more often than not will have no interest or understanding in your company but they will understand a bonus for meeting a reasonable goal. if you do anything read your post #5 again and as many times as it takes to see how silly it really is.

Well if you read this post again yourself these are some scenario's I passed on from another guy these are not even my idea's. Tried the simple bonus did not work at all it was a big ole waste of time did not increase anything but expense. I will not ever open my books to them it really doesn't matter because they don't care what the company does profit wise if they are doing a good job they make alot more money(example christmas lights $9-$10/hr to $13-$18/hr) they have no reason because they are making way more than they normally would that is why they don't care what are profit is. Actually really don't care what you think it works great for me attorney and accountant have already said I am doing nothing illegal so all of my bases covered that is all that matters to me. More profit for me, increased production, less stupid repairs or damage to equipment since we started this program and the employee's love it to they make more money too. How many employee's do you have?