Register free!
Search
 
     

Click for Weather
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 09-11-2011, 09:54 AM
ted putnam's Avatar
ted putnam ted putnam is offline
LawnSite Gold Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,975
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smallaxe View Post
Good point...

Even though it may irritate Ted, I still prefer the ease of dry apps...
Oh smallaxe, it doesn't irritate me at all. Everyone is entitled to their own preference. Why do you think I don't know as much as I should about foliar feeding?? Because, other than my pre-emergent apps, most of my apps are dry applications. It's what I'm used to doing and hard to change sometimes. The only thing that irritates me is when people(in general) close their mind to new possibilities/opportunities because it is "different than what I am used to doing or have ever done so it can't be good". I really do not come here to get in arguments. However, I am very firm about my principles and I'm sure that shows through at times. I am a firm believer that a person should always have their mind open to new possibilities. Always learning/absorbing new info,even if it is completely different than anything I have ever known.....That's why I come to this site.
I'm glad he showed those pics. It gave us all the opportunity to see the results of something very different than what most of us are used to...
Smallaxe, no hard feelings??......None here.
__________________
"The Poor Fish" circa 1930's: The Poor Fish wouldn't have been caught if he'd known enough to keep his fool mouth shut.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 09-11-2011, 12:07 PM
greendoctor greendoctor is online now
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 6,919
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smallaxe View Post
So why is iron not available to your grass? pH issues???
Soil types. Iron oxide and iron phosphate are not available in alkaline clay. In acidic soils, manganese competition becomes an issue.
__________________
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin 1775

Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power.
Benjamin Franklin Poor Richard's Almanac1738
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 09-11-2011, 04:18 PM
ted putnam's Avatar
ted putnam ted putnam is offline
LawnSite Gold Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,975
Send me a PM and i'll get you connected.[/QUOTE]

I sent you a PM.
Thanks.
__________________
"The Poor Fish" circa 1930's: The Poor Fish wouldn't have been caught if he'd known enough to keep his fool mouth shut.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 09-11-2011, 11:16 PM
olcllc's Avatar
olcllc olcllc is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Enid, OK
Posts: 202
I have had quite a few questions regarding GMS. Here is some additional info.

GMS can be mixed with most herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. To include micronutrients and chelated products.

It can be sprayed with a ride-on. I use my shielded sprayer and a lesco HPS.

GMS also acts as a surfactant due to its specific gravity and weight 11.4 lbs per gallon.

It's absorption rate is about 30 min for the N and K2o and up to 12 hours for the P2o5.

It can be applied undiluted up to 2gal per acre provided you have the means to produce a fine mist like with an air blast applicator.

It's best applied in the morning and late evening with a dew or humidity over 60% and temps below 80.

It can be augmented into a fertigation system with a home owners irrigation system.

It can be applied as frequently as 2 week intervals. At the recommended rate of 2 gal per acre, it should feed from 6 to 8 weeks.

It's one concern is hard water. If you have hard water you must use a Ph reducer or vinegar to combat the calcium in your water from binding with the phosphorus.
__________________
"To be intelligent is to be open-minded, active, memoried, and persistently experimental." Leopold Stein

"Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

Last edited by olcllc; 09-11-2011 at 11:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 09-12-2011, 12:01 AM
ted putnam's Avatar
ted putnam ted putnam is offline
LawnSite Gold Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,975
Quote:
Originally Posted by olcllc View Post
I have had quite a few questions regarding GMS. Here is some additional info.

GMS can be mixed with most herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. To include micronutrients and chelated products.

It can be sprayed with a ride-on. I use my shielded sprayer and a lesco HPS.

GMS also acts as a surfactant due to its specific gravity and weight 11.4 lbs per gallon.

It's absorption rate is about 30 min for the N and K2o and up to 12 hours for the P2o5.

It can be applied undiluted up to 2gal per acre provided you have the means to produce a fine mist like with an air blast applicator.

It's best applied in the morning and late evening with a dew or humidity over 60% and temps below 80.

It can be augmented into a fertigation system with a home owners irrigation system.

It can be applied as frequently as 2 week intervals. At the recommended rate of 2 gal per acre, it should feed from 6 to 8 weeks.

It's one concern is hard water. If you have hard water you must use a Ph reducer or vinegar to combat the calcium in your water from binding with the phosphorus.
Thanks man, I didn't have a chance to call you earlier.(Supper and visiting at the Mother-in-law's) I had planned to call you but felt it was to late when we were done. We are warm season turf here and you said it worked great on warm season turf. Using 1/4gpm air induction tips on the Z-sprays we use, It looks like I'd still use about 8 gals of water in addition to the 2 gals of product to cover an acre. At this rate, would it still be effective as a foliar feed? Humidity and temps are favorable around here except for about 3 months out of the season.
__________________
"The Poor Fish" circa 1930's: The Poor Fish wouldn't have been caught if he'd known enough to keep his fool mouth shut.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 09-12-2011, 07:52 AM
olcllc's Avatar
olcllc olcllc is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Enid, OK
Posts: 202
Quote:
Originally Posted by ted putnam View Post
Thanks man, I didn't have a chance to call you earlier.(Supper and visiting at the Mother-in-law's) I had planned to call you but felt it was to late when we were done. We are warm season turf here and you said it worked great on warm season turf. Using 1/4gpm air induction tips on the Z-sprays we use, It looks like I'd still use about 8 gals of water in addition to the 2 gals of product to cover an acre. At this rate, would it still be effective as a foliar feed? Humidity and temps are favorable around here except for about 3 months out of the season.
I dilute in a 15 gal mixture to cover an acre. Dilution is best. Orchards, vinyards, and vegetable growers tend to apply undiluted.
__________________
"To be intelligent is to be open-minded, active, memoried, and persistently experimental." Leopold Stein

"Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 09-12-2011, 08:43 AM
Smallaxe Smallaxe is offline
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Central Wisconsin
Posts: 9,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by greendoctor View Post
Soil types. Iron oxide and iron phosphate are not available in alkaline clay. In acidic soils, manganese competition becomes an issue.
Yes, that will do it...

Have you given consideration to raising the OM as a pH buffer?

It has been discovered that the root tips themselves change the pH in the immediate vicinity of where it is drawing from, so as to survive in otherwise hostile pH soils...

I confess I really haven't had a real discussion about this subject and am not sure if any of this is true... I do know that compost increases vigor every time I use it, but I only have personal assumptions as to why...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ted putnam View Post
Smallaxe, no hard feelings??......None here.
No hard feelings...
__________________
*
Now that I know that clay's texture(platelets) has nothing to do with water infiltration, percolation, or drainage
,,, I wonder what does...
*
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 09-13-2011, 03:59 AM
ted putnam's Avatar
ted putnam ted putnam is offline
LawnSite Gold Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 3,975
Quote:
Originally Posted by olcllc View Post
I dilute in a 15 gal mixture to cover an acre. Dilution is best. Orchards, vinyards, and vegetable growers tend to apply undiluted.
I enjoyed our conversation on the phone. Not sure how 5 minutes turned in to an hour and a half I am very eager to try this new product and see the results. I had just a couple of other questions for you about spray volume. I will ask you via PM so I can experiment once the product arrives. Thanks again and I'm looking forward to the possibility of doing things a new way.
__________________
"The Poor Fish" circa 1930's: The Poor Fish wouldn't have been caught if he'd known enough to keep his fool mouth shut.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 09-13-2011, 06:25 AM
Falcon50EX's Avatar
Falcon50EX Falcon50EX is online now
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: GA
Posts: 658
A new way

Quote:
Originally Posted by ted putnam View Post
I enjoyed our conversation on the phone. Not sure how 5 minutes turned in to an hour and a half I am very eager to try this new product and see the results. I had just a couple of other questions for you about spray volume. I will ask you via PM so I can experiment once the product arrives. Thanks again and I'm looking forward to the possibility of doing things a new way.
Ted I also am looking into this product one thing with our Z's I would think I would have to change the hose real gun out because for a fine mist to match the boom, I use it all the time.

Olcllc, Thanks for all the phone calls great info. I spoke with Chris and he has a truck going to ATL next week but i will be in NY all week. I still am going to try and set something up for 25-50 gal. I also may have a lead on Gypsum the supplier said it was 92% gypsum and 6% absorbent polymer 10 cents a pound but he is checking. I like what we talked about 6 cents a lb.
Thanks again for your time and conversation
__________________

Training them early
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 09-13-2011, 07:51 AM
olcllc's Avatar
olcllc olcllc is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Enid, OK
Posts: 202
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon50EX View Post
Ted I also am looking into this product one thing with our Z's I would think I would have to change the hose real gun out because for a fine mist to match the boom, I use it all the time.

Olcllc, Thanks for all the phone calls great info. I spoke with Chris and he has a truck going to ATL next week but i will be in NY all week. I still am going to try and set something up for 25-50 gal. I also may have a lead on Gypsum the supplier said it was 92% gypsum and 6% absorbent polymer 10 cents a pound but he is checking. I like what we talked about 6 cents a lb.
Thanks again for your time and conversation
Any time. Did Chris have additional info regarding it's use in your climate?

Ted, you may want to speak to Chris as well. He will have more info and may have some tips for its use on warm season turf. I'll PM his number to you.
__________________
"To be intelligent is to be open-minded, active, memoried, and persistently experimental." Leopold Stein

"Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1998 - 2012, LawnSite.comô - Moose River Media
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:35 AM.

Page generated in 0.07249 seconds with 10 queries