Propane power/torque vs gasoline

[Terry Metro Lawn]

Originally Posted by djagusch

Assume many things.
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DJ all I can intelligently respond with is my experience. Yes I work for a propane company promoting my product. I've made many statements here in regard to performance vs gasoline. Roush CleanTech makes similar statements in their press releases. Isn't it reasonable to believe that at some point at some time somebody would've called BS? My Dad's been using propane to run his trucks at his hop ranch for better than 25 years. Those trucks are still running! Trust me, I know! Because whenever something goes wrong with them he blames the propane. It's rarely the problem.

All I know is what I know. I truly DO believe that propane is much better for the environment. I DO believe it is 30% less expensive to operate than gasoline. I believe vehicles last much longer using propane. All this and 90% of the world's propane is produced in the United States!

What am I missing here??

[djagusch]

Your missing a thread deleted about 2 months ago on how you base your fuel pricing for the mowing industry. I wish I had printed that post.

Why does a industry that wants to get in the market has such a weird pricing structure? Home propane different, than fork lift tanks, to bbq tanks, to mower tanks, and auto gas when comparing cost per gallon.

Just seems like a viable fuel source but the industry is trying to increase profits by getting any gov money it can by lobbying etc. You use these gov money as a closing tool in many of your posts.

The fuel source can beat gas on price with the green benifit's as a bonus, but the industry is to greedy. Needs to collect as much as it thinks it can, the mowing industry has been a target of increase profits.
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[djagusch]

Also ill be emailing in the next coming days to roush about the data to back their claims.
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[Terry Metro Lawn]

Originally Posted by djagusch

Your missing a thread deleted about 2 months ago on how you base your fuel pricing for the mowing industry. I wish I had printed that post.

Why does a industry that wants to get in the market has such a weird pricing structure? Home propane different, than fork lift tanks, to bbq tanks, to mower tanks, and auto gas when comparing cost per gallon.

Just seems like a viable fuel source but the industry is trying to increase profits by getting any gov money it can by lobbying etc. You use these gov money as a closing tool in many of your posts.

The fuel source can beat gas on price with the green benifit's as a bonus, but the industry is to greedy. Needs to collect as much as it thinks it can, the mowing industry has been a target of increase profits.
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Like any industry our product is priced by volume. If you don't do business with a bulk plant you can't expect volume pricing. Don't judge the whole industry by the corner gas station dispenser.

As for the incentives PERC offers, that is paid to the customer not to us. These are Clean Air initiative funds to promote environmentally friendly fuels such as propane. You are the first person I've come across that thinks this is a BAD thing. I don't know how to answer you here.

[Terry Metro Lawn]

Originally Posted by djagusch

Also ill be emailing in the next coming days to roush about the data to back their claims.
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Please post the results!

[Terry Metro Lawn]

Originally Posted by djagusch

the mowing industry has been a target of increase profits.
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The mowing industry has been targeted because it is a major polluter - up to 7% of the total nationwide. (EPA)

You don't think big oil is making a profit? At least our profit is spent here, not overseas to those not so friendly with us.

[djagusch]

Originally Posted by Terry Metro Lawn

Like any industry our product is priced by volume. If you don't do business with a bulk plant you can't expect volume pricing. Don't judge the whole industry by the corner gas station dispenser.

As for the incentives PERC offers, that is paid to the customer not to us. These are Clean Air initiative funds to promote environmentally friendly fuels such as propane. You are the first person I've come across that thinks this is a BAD thing. I don't know how to answer you here.

Everyone thinks its good when the money is going in their pocket. But when it comes to taxes nobody likes them. I wonder where the money comes from to promote clean energy, the tax payer.

The goes indirectly to suppliers through the purchasers. If they didn't get the free money would they do it. Would they question the pricing if it wasn't free.
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[djagusch]

Originally Posted by Terry Metro Lawn

Please post the results!

The results from researching their website so far shows no facts.

Testimonials are used "as seen on tv" products use these also.

Use the 50% lower maintenance claim to reduce costs.

Use 30 to 40% less than gas. Is this per gallon or for cost per mile, doesn't say. Also shows a .50 cent per gallon rebate which last I heard was done in 2011. Also used fuel at $3.55/gal.

Doesn't say a fuel usage on the power dyno run.
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[djagusch]

Originally Posted by Terry Metro Lawn

The mowing industry has been targeted because it is a major polluter - up to 7% of the total nationwide. (EPA)

You don't think big oil is making a profit? At least our profit is spent here, not overseas to those not so friendly with us.

EPA, the majority think is a major over reach of gov. Glad you believe their data.

Profit is good, yes. But when I pricing is being done in the unusually was it is in the industry the word "why" comes up. Volume sure does matter. I'm just wondering why the forklift guy gets a different price to a mowing company? It seems like the price is dependant on making it run just slightly cheaper than gas, using the tax incentives and maintenance for the closing of the sale.
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[Terry Metro Lawn]

Sorry DJ, I've been presenting at the Kawasaki Engine Schools. Seems they've been tricked into using our product/fuel exclusively for their offerings.

Let's see, Ford Motor Company, Roush Racing, Kawasaki Engine Company, Theisen Elevator, Frito Lay, Schwans.... I could go on and on. What do you think these companies see in propane as an engine fuel?

Thirteen mower manufacturers are offering OEM propane mowers. Why?

I've offered my numbers and experience. I'm sorry you don't believe me. You don't believe Kawasaki or Roush either. At least I'm in good company?

I think we need to move on. Can we agree to disagree?